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re: NCAA Rules Committee Proposes to Eliminate HUNH

Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:22 pm to
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:22 pm to
What happens if the defense enters the neutral zone in the first ten seconds? Offense can't snap and get the offsides.
Posted by undecided
Member since May 2012
15492 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:22 pm to
Or for spiking the ball with 1 second left to kick a field goal

Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:23 pm to
Might as well sell the Gus bus..
Posted by Rebels_to_Cover
Alabama
Member since Feb 2013
289 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:23 pm to
quote:

Just curious but what percentage of your snaps are snapped before 30 seconds anyway? You already have to wait for your own substitution and then any defensive substitution. Isn't this a matter of only 2-3 seconds at most?


"...with the exception of the final two minutes of each half"
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:23 pm to
This would hurt Oregon more than anyone else.
Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
12124 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:23 pm to
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does this really affect Auburn? I don't remember too many plays being snapped that quick.



More than likely not but the defensive substitutions being allowed 10 seconds does. Gus likes to line up and force the defense to stay on the field, then take a look at them and send in the play.
Posted by SwayzeBalla
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:23 pm to
Ohhhhh
Posted by Gladius Veritas
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:23 pm to
Posted by undecided
Member since May 2012
15492 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:24 pm to
quote:

Just curious but what percentage of your snaps are snapped before 30 seconds anyway? You already have to wait for your own substitution and then any defensive substitution. Isn't this a matter of only 2-3 seconds at most?

One of our stats guys would have to answer this as I'm not a numbers person
Posted by AUCatfish
How are yah now?
Member since Oct 2007
13995 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:24 pm to
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the HUNH is a gimmick. it's like the "quick pitch" in baseball. it's bush league and it's chicken shite. i hope they do eliminate it. line up and play football beatch. quit being a pussy.


Yeah, it's a gimmick just like the forward pass and face masks.
Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
16151 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:24 pm to
Miles is getting so confused with all these time rules. Please make it stop!!!!!!
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90738 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:25 pm to
Finally.. a Saban rule that isn't from Au whining.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30193 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:25 pm to
quote:

does this really affect Auburn? I don't remember too many plays being snapped that quick.
What I was thinking too. The meercat takes at least a few seconds to process.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90738 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:26 pm to
The NCAA Football Rules Committee proposed an alteration involving the instant-replay review on targeting fouls during its Feb. 11-12 meeting in Indianapolis, which includes the ejection of the player committing the foul along with a 15-yard penalty.

Last season, the targeting rule was implemented and any player committing the penalty would be ejected and his team assessed a 15-yard penalty.

The committee recommended that if the instant replay official rules that a disqualification should not have occurred, and if the targeting foul is not accompanied by another personal foul, the 15-yard penalty for targeting should not be enforced.

However, if the targeting foul is committed in conjunction with another personal foul, the 15-yard penalty for that personal foul remains. For example, if a player is called for roughing the passer and targeting the head and neck area, but the instant replay official rules that targeting did not occur, the player flagged would remain in the game, but the roughing the passer penalty would still be enforced.

All rules proposals must be approved by the NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Panel, which will discuss the football rules changes March 6. The proposed changes are being circulated for membership comment.

“Overall, the targeting rule was successful and has had the intended impact of making play safer,” said Troy Calhoun, head coach at the Air Force Academy and chair of the committee, which met Monday through Thursday in Indianapolis. “This alteration keeps the intent of the rule, but allows replay to correct all of the consequences from a rare missed call.”

In games where instant replay is not in use, the committee recommended an option to permit on-field officials to review targeting calls during halftime that were made during the first half. This is a permissive rule by conference policy or mutual consent of the teams and is the responsibility of the home team to provide the parameters for the use of video. The review must be conducted by the referee in the officials’ locker room.

Officials could then reverse the targeting call and allow the player to compete in the second half. The committee noted that many Football Championship Subdivision, Division II and Division III games are not played using instant replay so this modification gives those teams greater flexibility to review targeting fouls during a game.

Defensive Substitutions

The committee also recommended a rules change that will allow defensive units to substitute within the first 10 seconds of the 40-second play clock, with the exception of the final two minutes of each half, starting with the 2014 season.

“This rules change is being made to enhance student-athlete safety by guaranteeing a small window for both teams to substitute,” said Calhoun. “As the average number of plays per game has increased, this issue has been discussed with greater frequency by the committee in recent years and we felt like it was time to act in the interests of protecting our student-athletes.”

Under this rule proposal, the offense will not be allowed to snap the ball until the play clock reaches 29 seconds or less. If the offense snaps the ball before the play clock reaches 29 seconds, a 5-yard, delay-of-game penalty will be assessed. Under current rules, defensive players are not guaranteed an opportunity to substitute unless the offense substitutes first. This part of the rule will remain in place in scenarios where the play clock starts at 25 seconds.

The committee discussed the issue thoroughly before coming to the conclusion that defensive teams should be allowed some period of time to substitute. The committee believes that 10 seconds provides sufficient time for defensive player substitutions without inhibiting the ability of an offense to play at a fast pace. Research indicated that teams with fast-paced, no-huddle offenses rarely snap the ball with 30 seconds or more on the play clock. This rules proposal also aligns with a request from the Committee on Competitive Safeguards and Medical Aspects of Sports that sport rules committees review substitution rules in regards to player safety.

In the NCAA’s non-rules change years, proposals can only be made for student-athlete safety reasons or modifications that enhance the intent of a previous rules change
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
20486 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:26 pm to
quote:

@doug_keegan: NCAA Rules committee plots to kill hurry up offenses, prohibit snaps before 40 second play clock reaches 29 seconds. LINK


Even the most hurry up teams only do this a handful of times a game.

Seems like a lot of bitching about a rule that has doesn't change anything.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:27 pm to
Do not support.
Posted by DoreonthePlains
Auburn, AL
Member since Nov 2013
7436 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:29 pm to
It's not about the delay. The more important part is that it negates how the HUNH keeps you in your base defense. It probably only delays an Auburn snap by 2-3 seconds on most plays, but it prevents them from tiring out the defense as effectively.

It's a stupid change. If your defense can't keep up, work on more conditioning. The NCAA shouldn't be changing rules to try and level the playing field. Everyone knows the rules already, so unless there is a real safety or cheating issue, don't touch it.
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
15108 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:29 pm to
I'm just wondering if 10 seconds is really enough time for the defensive coaches to analyse the situation, decide what personnel is needed, and them on the field.

But the defense does deserve the opportunity to react and make changes based on what the offense is doing.
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:30 pm to
This is what happens when profit motive is the driving force.
Posted by UAFanFromNOLA
NOLA
Member since Dec 2011
4882 posts
Posted on 2/12/14 at 4:30 pm to
I don't like it. Seems stupid to penalize a team for playing too fast. If they aren't substituting, then the defense shouldn't have to.

If they were going to make a rule change, I would like to see incoming offensive subs have to touch the hashmark before playing. That way, both the offense and the defense has to travel the same amount of distance to sub. This prevents the problem with offensive players subbing out on their sideline while defensive players have to run across the whole field.
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