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re: Mullen proposes 9 game SEC schedule with 4 home and away with 1 neutral site game
Posted on 5/29/19 at 3:51 pm to Jake_LaMotta
Posted on 5/29/19 at 3:51 pm to Jake_LaMotta
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Why is everyone not named Nick Saban, Dan Mullen, and Bret Bielema so scared of a 9 game SEC schedule
I'm not afraid of a 9 game schedule.
I'm afraid of a worse system.
I absolutely wouldn't be excited about a worse system.
You don't seem to mind it, though.
Gumps gonna gump.
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Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:19 pm to Jake_LaMotta
Let it die
Posted on 5/29/19 at 6:58 pm to fibonaccisquared
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I'll take teams with no OOC P5 Rivals for $800 Alex...
Florida has one of those. They aren’t scared. Why are you?
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:05 pm to meansonny
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meansonny
Mullen proposes 9 game SEC schedule with 4 home and away with 1 neutral site game
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Why is everyone not named Nick Saban, Dan Mullen, and Bret Bielema so scared of a 9 game SEC schedule
I'm not afraid of a 9 game schedule.
I'm afraid of a worse system.
I absolutely wouldn't be excited about a worse system.
What would be a "worse system" to you?
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:18 pm to MykTide
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Bama and Auburn in Selma Memorial Stadium.
Cramton Bowl or bust.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:25 pm to East Coast Band
I think Bama and UT might both agree on a neutral site game in Nashville. Plenty of Bama fans there.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:25 pm to StringedInstruments
Have 7 games played in Mercedes-Benz Stadium Labor Day Weekend. Atlanta could handle the crowds.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:28 pm to tossedoff
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State would end up playing LSU in New Orleans.
No offense, but Ole Miss annually would be a bigger spectacle in Nola.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:39 pm to southernboisb
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What would be a "worse system" to you?
9 conference game schedule.
1) the 9th game now is the SECCG and it is unrivaled among all of the conferences. Show me a better 9th conference game? Show me a better conference championship game?
2) you are taking power away from your own AD and handing it over to the conference like you don't even care. There is only 1 school that gives a damn about your own situation. And that is your own school. The AD can only control scheduling for 4 games per year. Why make that 3? Literally, what dumbass gives up autonomy and self interest for no good reason?
3) the TV money is better at 8. There is more television inventory. And traditionally, a rematch in the seccg pulls less eyes than a 1st time matchup (rematch would be much more likely at 9 games).
My first question is, specifically... what are people trying to solve with 9 conference games?
Can it be solved another way?
Is it that important to begin with (those that want to rotate through teams faster... some opponents went decades without facing conference members when we were at 10 teams. Why all of a sudden is this imperative at 14?)
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:42 pm to East Coast Band
South Carolina should play Missouri in the country of Colombia
Posted on 5/29/19 at 8:58 pm to meansonny
I see your point, but I also see the point of being in a conference & playing everybody else in that conference.
What I DON'T see/understand is how the SEC added 2 teams & did NOT seem to think of the schedule or any kind of scheduling format.
If you're curious: I'm ANTI-3 perm/5 rotating schedules. Reason is the tiebreakers needed to figure out how to rank people due to lack of common opponents.
I'm part of the pod group in that any multiple of 4 makes the scheduling easier to solve. & how I would solve the SECCG format is simple:
4 pods of 4
Year 1: Pods A/B winner vrs. Pods C/D winner
Year 1: Pods A/C winner vrs. Pods B/D winner
Year 1: Pods A/D winner vrs. Pods B/C winner
This gives you 7 games & you play everybody in 3 years (full rotation on 6). It also allows you to have a perm rival in each of the other 3 pods that can count as your 8th & 9th conf. game when your pods aren't partnered up.
&, my SECCG format gives those people @ least 2 years of NOT seeing the same teams in the title game.
This also keeps the 4 SEC/ACC interstate rivarly games on the schedule.
What WOULD help is if all P4/5 (B12's fate?) had the same scheduling format. This way NOBODY can say which conference has the easier or tougher scheduling because everybody would be identical. This ALSO sets up the possibility of partnering up conferences yearly (like they do in basketball).
What I DON'T see/understand is how the SEC added 2 teams & did NOT seem to think of the schedule or any kind of scheduling format.
If you're curious: I'm ANTI-3 perm/5 rotating schedules. Reason is the tiebreakers needed to figure out how to rank people due to lack of common opponents.
I'm part of the pod group in that any multiple of 4 makes the scheduling easier to solve. & how I would solve the SECCG format is simple:
4 pods of 4
Year 1: Pods A/B winner vrs. Pods C/D winner
Year 1: Pods A/C winner vrs. Pods B/D winner
Year 1: Pods A/D winner vrs. Pods B/C winner
This gives you 7 games & you play everybody in 3 years (full rotation on 6). It also allows you to have a perm rival in each of the other 3 pods that can count as your 8th & 9th conf. game when your pods aren't partnered up.
&, my SECCG format gives those people @ least 2 years of NOT seeing the same teams in the title game.
This also keeps the 4 SEC/ACC interstate rivarly games on the schedule.
What WOULD help is if all P4/5 (B12's fate?) had the same scheduling format. This way NOBODY can say which conference has the easier or tougher scheduling because everybody would be identical. This ALSO sets up the possibility of partnering up conferences yearly (like they do in basketball).
This post was edited on 5/29/19 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 5/29/19 at 9:09 pm to southernboisb
Pods are so dumb. Just add one more conference game and keep the divisions. What is so bad and scary about that? Half the time you will be getting to play the Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Miss State type programs that should be automatic wins.
I mean it works for 3 of the other power 5 conferences.
I mean it works for 3 of the other power 5 conferences.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 9:18 pm to Jake_LaMotta
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Jake_LaMotta
Mullen proposes 9 game SEC schedule with 4 home and away with 1 neutral site game
Pods are so dumb. Just add one more conference game and keep the divisions. What is so bad and scary about that? Half the time you will be getting to play the Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Miss State type programs that should be automatic wins.
I mean it works for 3 of the other power 5 conferences.
Why are pods dumb? You have MORE options with scheduling than not.
I can see 9 games.....but what counts as the 9th game - a 2nd rotational team from the other division? With that, you would see everybody in 3 years, full rotation in 6. (*Unless you do what the SEC USED to do which was: 1H/2A, 2H/3A, 3H/4A, 4H/5A, 5H/6A, 6H/1A, .........)
The ONLY downside to this would be that UGA, UF, UK, & USC would have to change their interstate ACC rival's schedule so that they HOST those teams when the East has 4 H games that season.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 9:43 pm to southernboisb
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4 pods of 4
Year 1: Pods A/B winner vrs. Pods C/D winner
Year 1: Pods A/C winner vrs. Pods B/D winner
Year 1: Pods A/D winner vrs. Pods B/C winner
This gives you 7 games & you play everybody in 3 years (full rotation on 6). It also allows you to have a perm rival in each of the other 3 pods that can count as your 8th & 9th conf. game when your pods aren't partnered up.
&, my SECCG format gives those people @ least 2 years of NOT seeing the same teams in the title game.
No, it eliminates the SEC Championship game as it does not meet the NCAA requirements.
That is why we went to two divisions in the first place
Posted on 5/30/19 at 5:06 am to cave canem
How? The rule says it has to be broken up. It DOES NOT say it has to be the same teams each year. So, each "paired pod" can be considered as a division.
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 5:07 am
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:35 am to LSUCOCK
Dan's thinking he can maybe pull a fast one, since florida already has a "neutral site game" albeit 70 miles away in Jax.
In other words, for the gators the SEC game impact would be....
CURRENTLY:
Year 1: H,A,H,A,WLOCP(A),H,A,H -- 4 games on campus
Year 2: H,A,H,A,WLOCP(H),H,A,A -- 3 games on campus
HIS PROPOSAL:
Year 1: H,A,H,A,WLOCP(N),H,A,H,A -- 4 games on campus
Year 2: H,A,H,A,WLOCP(N),H,A,H,A -- 4 games on campus
For the rest of us, we'd be forced to add and travel to the same neutral site game every year, in some cases for really lame teams like Vandy-UK in Cincinnati?
Not to mention that Vandy fans would not get to visit UK's campus for a game.
Merlins can keep his idea.
In other words, for the gators the SEC game impact would be....
CURRENTLY:
Year 1: H,A,H,A,WLOCP(A),H,A,H -- 4 games on campus
Year 2: H,A,H,A,WLOCP(H),H,A,A -- 3 games on campus
HIS PROPOSAL:
Year 1: H,A,H,A,WLOCP(N),H,A,H,A -- 4 games on campus
Year 2: H,A,H,A,WLOCP(N),H,A,H,A -- 4 games on campus
For the rest of us, we'd be forced to add and travel to the same neutral site game every year, in some cases for really lame teams like Vandy-UK in Cincinnati?
Not to mention that Vandy fans would not get to visit UK's campus for a game.
Merlins can keep his idea.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 7:47 am to clamdip
Dan needs to figure out how to solve his problem of not knowing how to call a play that involves a forward pass of more than 15 yards
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:20 am to Jake_LaMotta
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Florida has one of those. They aren’t scared. Why are you?
Let's take a look at Florida's regular season OOC schedule sans Florida State over the past 15-20 years. How many P5 teams are from outside the state of Florida. It has nothing to do with being scared... If we were scared, why the frick would we be going out of our way to schedule Notre Dame, Clemson, Texas, Florida State, UCLA... We're scheduling better (and more importantly INTERESTING) matchups than a 9th SEC game would offer... If you want to improve the SEC schedule, look at something like the Roommate Switch that *actually* improves the frequency that we play all the teams in the SEC, since you would play home and away with every team within a 4 year period... something that a 9 game conference schedule doesn't accommodate.
It's ok though Jake, we know you've only got 4-5 tracks that you play on repeat. Just go back to things your good at... critical thinking isn't one of them.
Posted on 5/31/19 at 11:36 am to southernboisb
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I'm ANTI-3 perm/5 rotating schedules. Reason is the tiebreakers needed to figure out how to rank people due to lack of common opponents.
LINK
It's just not that difficult. It's more or less the same as the 4x4 Pod approach. (Note: I don't necessarily agree with the specific matchups on the link, those are simply an example to show it could work... realistically, there is room to set pod groupings, play them for a decade or so and then move them around again in the future if there seems to be an imbalance)
And in the event of some insane tie, it would be no different than the old rules under the BCS era, where the higher ranked team according to the CFP (in lieu of BCS) would be taken.
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I mean it works for 3 of the other power 5 conferences.
Does it though?
Conferences with 9 game schedules:
Big XII - no representative in 2014-2015 or 2016-2017 season
B1G - no representative in 2017-18 or 2018-19 season
Pac12 - no representative in 2015-16 season or 2018-19 season
So each of the 9 game conferences have failed to have a CFP appearance in 2/5 (40%) of opportunities...
8 game conferences:
SEC - 1 team in all playoffs, 2 teams in 2017-2018, and close call for 2 teams in 2018-2019
ACC - 1 team in all playoffs, "2 teams" in 2018-2019 if you include their tangential connection to Notre Dame in football
If I am the ACC/SEC, I'm not increasing the number of conference games unless I see some benefit to it... currently, it looks like there is not one.
Posted on 5/31/19 at 12:21 pm to East Coast Band
I tried typing out a list but Mizzou being in the SEC-E fricks things up. You'd have to realign the divisions to even begin making something that would make sense without having multiple "not really neutral" neutral site games.
If you flip flopped Mizzou/Auburn, then these might make sense:
TAMU/Arkansas - Dallas
UGA/UF - Jacksonville
Auburn/Alabama - Bham
- Lesion Field would need massive renovations though.
Tennessee/UK - Nashville
Mizzou/LSU - Rotating between St. Louis and NOLA
Vandy/USC - Atlanta I guess
Ole Miss/MSU - Jackson, Memphis, or rotate between the two
- Both the Vet and Liberty Bowl would need overhauls.
If you flip flopped Mizzou/Auburn, then these might make sense:
TAMU/Arkansas - Dallas
UGA/UF - Jacksonville
Auburn/Alabama - Bham
- Lesion Field would need massive renovations though.
Tennessee/UK - Nashville
Mizzou/LSU - Rotating between St. Louis and NOLA
Vandy/USC - Atlanta I guess
Ole Miss/MSU - Jackson, Memphis, or rotate between the two
- Both the Vet and Liberty Bowl would need overhauls.
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