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re: Mount Rushmore of All-Time Worst SEC Coaches
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:09 am to LittleJerrySeinfield
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:09 am to LittleJerrySeinfield
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Alabama had to play David Palmer at Qb for much of the game.
LSU had to play their starters most of that game too
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:10 am to BranchDawg
This is why we had our dark ages. We had the most incompetent leadership decisions at top in the nation after Fulmer was fired.
We chose to hire three of the worst SEC coaches ever. We also passed up on Gary Patterson in his prime for a young Lane Kiffin.
Thank God for Danny White .
We chose to hire three of the worst SEC coaches ever. We also passed up on Gary Patterson in his prime for a young Lane Kiffin.
Thank God for Danny White .
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:14 am to gamecockman12
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Croom was 21-38 overall and 10-30 in SEC play in his 5 years at Mississippi State. That's pretty damn bad.
But part of the four worst coaches in SEC? He wasn't great... But there are bigger failures with more resources
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:15 am to gamecockman12
Butch Jones and Chad Morris are duking it out for no.1 and it's not really close for anyone else.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:27 am to gamecockman12
I remember the bumper sticker, "Take back Curley, We'd rather have Moe!"
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:29 am to gamecockman12
1. Chad Morris
2. Steve Sloan (Killed the Vaught era of Ole Miss football)
3. Joker Phillips
4. Curley Hallman
Honorable Mentions:
Ole Miss era Ed Orgeron - only doesn't make the list because of his LSU tenure. Worst gameday coaching I've ever seen.
Joe Moorhead - Overall record is above .500 which seems great at MSU but if Mullen coaches that 2019 team, they're probably 10-2 or 11-1. As is, they were 8-4. He was an "offensive genius" who couldn't do anything well offensively during his tenure at MSU.
Insert Vanderbilt coach - I'm excluding individuals here as I don't think losing at Vandy is a direct reflection of poor coaching but the records are what they are.
Ole Miss era Houston Nutt - Nutt did a great job in year 1 but it was clear he didn't really believe that Ole Miss could win and thought Ole Miss should be grateful if they got to a bowl game. Unfortunately he couldn't even do that without Ed O's studs, and in 2011, our offensive plays were literally being called in on giant cards that had the initials of the player who was supposed to get the ball on them and I'm not joking.
Derek Dooley - This hire never made any sense.
Sylvester Croom - Most stubborn HC of the new millennium. Lost a game 3-2 and still absolutely refused to make OC changes. Good recruiter and defenses were great though.
2. Steve Sloan (Killed the Vaught era of Ole Miss football)
3. Joker Phillips
4. Curley Hallman
Honorable Mentions:
Ole Miss era Ed Orgeron - only doesn't make the list because of his LSU tenure. Worst gameday coaching I've ever seen.
Joe Moorhead - Overall record is above .500 which seems great at MSU but if Mullen coaches that 2019 team, they're probably 10-2 or 11-1. As is, they were 8-4. He was an "offensive genius" who couldn't do anything well offensively during his tenure at MSU.
Insert Vanderbilt coach - I'm excluding individuals here as I don't think losing at Vandy is a direct reflection of poor coaching but the records are what they are.
Ole Miss era Houston Nutt - Nutt did a great job in year 1 but it was clear he didn't really believe that Ole Miss could win and thought Ole Miss should be grateful if they got to a bowl game. Unfortunately he couldn't even do that without Ed O's studs, and in 2011, our offensive plays were literally being called in on giant cards that had the initials of the player who was supposed to get the ball on them and I'm not joking.
Derek Dooley - This hire never made any sense.
Sylvester Croom - Most stubborn HC of the new millennium. Lost a game 3-2 and still absolutely refused to make OC changes. Good recruiter and defenses were great though.
This post was edited on 10/20/23 at 10:31 am
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:32 am to ptclaus98
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Butch Jones
Not even the worst Tennessee coach that decade
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:33 am to gamecockman12
No Ray Goff?
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:34 am to SuperOcean
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Croom lead MSU to a win over Bama...
He actually beat Bama in back to back years, but we were pretty bad both of those years. The 2007 win was against a Bama team that lost at home to ULM and didn’t have a single player drafted for the first time in 40 years.
I agree, there are many worse than Croom, but his wins against those Bama teams aren’t the measuring stick.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:36 am to Ezra Blu Boudroux
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Ray Goff?
I thought about him and think he's in the next tier up. Bad coaches who lucked into one really good season. Hard to put in the Curley Hallman, Chad Morris group having a 10-2 record in 1992.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:40 am to gamecockman12
Since 2012:
Chad Morris
Jeremy Pruitt
Derek Dooley
Matt Luke
Bryan Harsin is close, but I blame Auburn fans more than Harsin on that one. Joe Moorhead in the same boat, but he at east won 8 that first year. Those both were more fanbase implosion hires from the get go.
Drinkwitz still needs to get a few more dubs this year to avoid this list, and things are pointing up.
I think Odom and Bert are on the same level of hires that didn't work out.
Butch Jones, Will Muschamp, Jim McElwain on the level of going up and crashing down
Derek Mason, I know its Vandy and right after James Franklin, but he is probably up there.
BONUS Mizzou All-Time, The dark ages of woody Widenhofer and Bob Stull from 85 to 93.
Chad Morris
Jeremy Pruitt
Derek Dooley
Matt Luke
Bryan Harsin is close, but I blame Auburn fans more than Harsin on that one. Joe Moorhead in the same boat, but he at east won 8 that first year. Those both were more fanbase implosion hires from the get go.
Drinkwitz still needs to get a few more dubs this year to avoid this list, and things are pointing up.
I think Odom and Bert are on the same level of hires that didn't work out.
Butch Jones, Will Muschamp, Jim McElwain on the level of going up and crashing down
Derek Mason, I know its Vandy and right after James Franklin, but he is probably up there.
BONUS Mizzou All-Time, The dark ages of woody Widenhofer and Bob Stull from 85 to 93.
This post was edited on 10/20/23 at 10:46 am
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:41 am to ukraine_rebel
Curley was not only a horrible football coach, he was / is just as bad as a human being. A serious POS off the field.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:44 am to gamecockman12
Dan Mullen at Florida had 2 decent seasons with MacElwain's players so he doesn't deserve a full bust portrait, but probably should get a photo and brief write up at the entrance of this Mt Rushmore of garbage coaches.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:45 am to BranchDawg
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The fact that TWO Tennessee coaches from the 2010’s made the list ahead of Butch Jones is absolutely wild.
And wrong. They were not good coaches by any means but there were reasons for their failures that didn't necessarily start from them. Dooley couldn't recruit, partially because he wasn't very good, but mostly because the program was nuclear at his hiring, and his staff reflected that. By the time the stench wore off and he got some decent staff in, he hit on his O-Line coach and made a tragic decision to fully overhaul his defense with an already weak defensive roster. Pruitt was trying to build and honestly might have lasted a little longer at Tennessee had COVID not hit. 2020 was a critical spring for that program, he had two decent young QBs who were getting coached by a decent OC. He had an emerging Eric Gray and three future NFL WRs. Wanya Morris and Darnell Wright were growing and Trey Smith and Cade Mays were on the inside. The defense wasn't elite but it was growing into a formidable SEC defense by the end of 2019. I know it was the same for everybody, but not having that spring really gave an advantage to teams with good rosters and good, established QBs. And Tennessee's lack of an established QB, let alone a good one, doomed Pruitt to his fate. A lot of players that he brought to Tennessee that stayed made a difference these last couple of years. Hooker, Hyatt, Wright, Tillman, Fant, BY, Taylor. He just didn't have the organizational prowess and had bad luck at the end. Butch Jones was constantly and repeatedly bailed out by Josh Dobbs, never once developed a QB, but insisted that his offense be QB dependent. I can literally only think of one game(one half, really) of his career where it genuinely looked like they had good offensive playcalling, and that was UGA in his first year.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:46 am to Quicksilver
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Not even the worst Tennessee coach that decade
literally the only coach in Tennessee history to lose 8 games in one season
This post was edited on 10/20/23 at 10:47 am
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:53 am to gamecockman12
Difficult for me to believe there are coaches worse than Mike Shula... but there are.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:00 am to ptclaus98
Hold a spot open for Arnett
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:03 am to SuperOcean
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Croom lead MSU to a win over Bama... There are many worse than him
2 wins actually. 2006 and 2007
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:08 am to Tejada
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Difficult for me to believe there are coaches worse than Mike Shula... but there are.
Shula wasn't even our worst coach this millennium
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:09 am to deltaland
I don't think it's fair to include Matt Luke in this. Not saying he's a good coach but his tenure is really weird. His teams weren't even bowl eligible for 2 of his 3 years.
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