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re: Most overrated QB you can remember for your school?
Posted on 4/22/21 at 5:26 pm to 3down10
Posted on 4/22/21 at 5:26 pm to 3down10
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Not sure what the complaint is.
You were not here in 2010. Bench McElroy could not shut up about how much he thought the real McElroy sucked. I've never seen such random hate for a guy who completed almost 71% of his passes in a given season. Most of us back then hypothesized that our favorite ginger slept with Bench McElroy's girlfriend. The fact that he never denied it might add credibility to that theory.
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 7:50 pm to internetdad
Tua
Posted on 4/28/21 at 6:44 pm to deeprig9
And the award for most arse backward opinion of the week goes to....
Posted on 4/28/21 at 6:46 pm to internetdad
I was a bit young but Freddie Kitchens was a top prospect. I was in college with Brodie Croyle. He was a darling with the fans and a top prospect too.
Neither really achieved a ton.
Neither really achieved a ton.
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 4/28/21 at 7:42 pm to internetdad
I don’t remember any truly overrated QBs at state. A few were overhyped early season, but not really overrated.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 7:54 pm to meansonny
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The only time that i think we relied on him for an entire game to win was his last game (michigan state bowl game)
2008 LSU was the best game he played at Georgia. He had better days statistically but he was in total control for that entire game. IIRC, he audibled into 4 of our 5 offensive TDs that day.
For us, the answer is Quincy Carter and there isn't a close second.
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:07 pm to VADawg
Although he is not overrated becasue he only played in 3 games.....but he has the coolest SEC name: Jim Bob Cooter.
Most overrated: Matt Simms or Steve Allatore
Most overrated: Matt Simms or Steve Allatore
Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:11 pm to Crowknowsbest
Hate to win this outright. Sorry bros, Jerimiah Masoli ftw.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 9:09 pm to Hellmet
By far the most entertaining? I guess Holtz, Hatfield and Petrino didn't exist.
The only reason Nutt lasted 10 years because he was a brown noser. He was the first head coach since the 50s to survive back to back losing seasons. Because of his gift of the gab, his expectations were lower than his predecessors.
Mustain didn't make any public statements a bout Nutt and the team. Nutt didn't want Mustain because of his ties with Malzahn. Casey Dick was his QB and didn't have any intentions of starting Mustain ever again.
Nutt wanted Mustain gone. Nutt has such an inferior complex that he believed Malzahn would take his job. Allegations of sending Sam Olajubutu and other members of the defense surrounded Mustain in a locker room. Nutt and his goons forwarded a harassing email to other people that was titled dear Mr. Interception King.
Then Nutt was FOI on his phone after so much shenanigans and what was found was hundreds or thousands of text messages sent to a local news person.
This is what is covered in the last two years of the Nutt error. So much has been covered up for Nutt by the University that the evidence would be a lack of institutional control.
The reason Mustain in his own words went to USC is because he wanted to get as far away from Arkansas as possible. He wasn't happy here as the way he was treated. He didn't ask to be a highly rated player but to be respected as an individual which grown adults like Nutt never did.
You trash Mustain but put a shady character like Nutt on a high chair. low hanging fruit.
The only reason Nutt lasted 10 years because he was a brown noser. He was the first head coach since the 50s to survive back to back losing seasons. Because of his gift of the gab, his expectations were lower than his predecessors.
Mustain didn't make any public statements a bout Nutt and the team. Nutt didn't want Mustain because of his ties with Malzahn. Casey Dick was his QB and didn't have any intentions of starting Mustain ever again.
Nutt wanted Mustain gone. Nutt has such an inferior complex that he believed Malzahn would take his job. Allegations of sending Sam Olajubutu and other members of the defense surrounded Mustain in a locker room. Nutt and his goons forwarded a harassing email to other people that was titled dear Mr. Interception King.
Then Nutt was FOI on his phone after so much shenanigans and what was found was hundreds or thousands of text messages sent to a local news person.
This is what is covered in the last two years of the Nutt error. So much has been covered up for Nutt by the University that the evidence would be a lack of institutional control.
The reason Mustain in his own words went to USC is because he wanted to get as far away from Arkansas as possible. He wasn't happy here as the way he was treated. He didn't ask to be a highly rated player but to be respected as an individual which grown adults like Nutt never did.
You trash Mustain but put a shady character like Nutt on a high chair. low hanging fruit.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:05 pm to dchog
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The only reason Nutt lasted 10 years because he was a brown noser. He was the first head coach since the 50s to survive back to back losing seasons. Because of his gift of the gab, his expectations were lower than his predecessors.
Let's break this down for fun, Nutt was the second most winningest coach in Arkansas history. He survived 2 losing seasons because we got in trouble with the NCAA and lost scholarships.. but hey, let's ignore the fact that we had a decade of losing seasons in the Long era... after Chad Morris, I'm pretty sure 98% would suck Nutt's Nuts to bring him back.
And let's not forget what it was like before he arrived, players killing themselves, fans only filling up the stadium 25%.. I was the university during that time and it was embarrassing. He came in and was exactly what the university needed.
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Mustain didn't make any public statements a bout Nutt and the team. Nutt didn't want Mustain because of his ties with Malzahn. Casey Dick was his QB and didn't have any intentions of starting Mustain ever again.
I'm pretty sure a book was written where Mustain was quoted making disparaging comments about Nutt.. not sure how that's not considered public. When that book was published it was mid season and you can see Mustain completely change as a player. He lost the team, not the other way around.
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Nutt wanted Mustain gone. Nutt has such an inferior complex that he believed Malzahn would take his job. Allegations of sending Sam Olajubutu and other members of the defense surrounded Mustain in a locker room. Nutt and his goons forwarded a harassing email to other people that was titled dear Mr. Interception King.
That's far from the truth. Mustain got bullied by the seniors on the team because of his actions when joining the team. He wore T-shirts claiming to be their savior.. as a freshman. I don't know any football team ever that would stand a freshman coming in talking shite like that. If anything Nutt tried to control the situation and help Mustain but Mitch couldn't see that. In short, he brought that on himself and then he couldn't handle it when the players reacted.
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Then Nutt was FOI on his phone after so much shenanigans and what was found was hundreds or thousands of text messages sent to a local news person.
If Nutt is guilty of anything it was not adjusting to technology and understanding just how fast things were advancing in college football. He couldn't handle that change and made mistakes in the end. It ended ugly, but it was 10 years and he did a lot of amazing things for the university.
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This is what is covered in the last two years of the Nutt error. So much has been covered up for Nutt by the University that the evidence would be a lack of institutional control.
That's silly, I'm sure stuff was covered but that's football, get over it.
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The reason Mustain in his own words went to USC is because he wanted to get as far away from Arkansas as possible. He wasn't happy here as the way he was treated. He didn't ask to be a highly rated player but to be respected as an individual which grown adults like Nutt never did.
You trash Mustain but put a shady character like Nutt on a high chair. low hanging fruit.
He left because he was a pussy that couldn't handle the game at this level. He wasn't happy about the way he was treated because he wanted to be treated like a god like he was in highschool.. he wanted that to carry over to college and hit a brick wall. He came in thinking people would just bow down to him and he got his arse kicked. Things got ugly and he had to leave. I wouldn't say all of it is on him, certainly a good percentage of it is on his crazy arse mom too. What kind of mom allows the media into your house day in and day out to.. monitor your child the way she did.
He got treated like he was Lebron James in high school and he was no Lebron. He couldn't handle the reality check and quit the team. Like I've said before, okay high school QB playing in an offense that took advantage of high school defenses.. the real star player on that team was Damian Williams.. but hey, nobody is counting right?
I'm so sick of hearing about how Mustain was mistreated, he acted like a bitch and got treated like a bitch. That's the end of the story.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:24 pm to Hellmet
He survived the losing seasons is because he had good graces with Frank Broyles. His mouth made him survive longer than he should have. He isn't called a used car salesman for nothing. The others such as Holtz, Hatfield and Petrino didn't suck up and when they were in trouble, didn't get any second chances.
The reason they had losing seasons in 04 and 05 is not of the so called NCAA cloud but Nutt had such a massive failure in the 2000 recruiting class filled with academic risks and recruits that were in trouble with the law. That doesn't take in account of the no shows on campus. Nutt in a panic had to pull off redshirts on quite a bit of players such as Matt Jones. Nutt and his roster management has always been terrible. Nutt is responsible for the signing class limit in the SEC.
No one gives a shite a bout the Nutt. It was bad enough that he went 18-16 with one of the best RB rotations in SEC history and didn't even win the conference, it is even worse he was such a drama queen. We could have hired any coach that would do the same results but without such a narcissist personality. Nutt had long worn out his welcome here.
Nutt wasn't qualified for the job. But his mouth got him the job over Tuberville. Nutt is a good liar and so that where his strength resides.
I read the book. Mustain made a comment as a joke a bout Nutt and I called that play speech in the Ole Miss game. He laughed and said what a dork. That comment was taken out of context by the Arkansas media as an insult to Nutt. Mustain apologized for the misunderstanding and Nutt said it wasn't a big deal. But Nutt is such a thin skinned individual that he never got over it. It was Nutt's job to keep the team together which he failed to do after the 2006 season. Damian Williams transferred as saying that strange events were happening on the team.
Mustain wanted to redshirt as he said he wasn't ready but Nutt refused as his shitty QB development continued on. He got bullied because Nutt spread rumors to other members of the team. Mustain NEVER claimed he was the savior of anything. Nutt never tried to control any situation because he doesn't know how. He created a toxic environment.
Mustain never should have came here. Nutt is a terrible QB developer and OC. Mustain should have thought with his head and not his heart. Nutt is a liar and a narcissist, he only hurts and not help.
Nutt did NOTHING here that was amazing. If so then he wouldn't have gotten fired at Arkansas and Ole Miss. Both schools that suffered after his departure.
Lack of institutional control isn't silly. It might not be like Miami in the 80s and 90s but Nutt lost control in the last two years. They covered it up for Nutt because the impeding embarrassment if more skeletons came out of the closet.
If Mustain is such a pussy then Nutt must be as well. He bragged a bout getting a scholarship from Bear Bryant but couldn't hack it under Lou Holtz and transferred to Oklahoma State. Nutt is leading by example.
The reason they had losing seasons in 04 and 05 is not of the so called NCAA cloud but Nutt had such a massive failure in the 2000 recruiting class filled with academic risks and recruits that were in trouble with the law. That doesn't take in account of the no shows on campus. Nutt in a panic had to pull off redshirts on quite a bit of players such as Matt Jones. Nutt and his roster management has always been terrible. Nutt is responsible for the signing class limit in the SEC.
No one gives a shite a bout the Nutt. It was bad enough that he went 18-16 with one of the best RB rotations in SEC history and didn't even win the conference, it is even worse he was such a drama queen. We could have hired any coach that would do the same results but without such a narcissist personality. Nutt had long worn out his welcome here.
Nutt wasn't qualified for the job. But his mouth got him the job over Tuberville. Nutt is a good liar and so that where his strength resides.
I read the book. Mustain made a comment as a joke a bout Nutt and I called that play speech in the Ole Miss game. He laughed and said what a dork. That comment was taken out of context by the Arkansas media as an insult to Nutt. Mustain apologized for the misunderstanding and Nutt said it wasn't a big deal. But Nutt is such a thin skinned individual that he never got over it. It was Nutt's job to keep the team together which he failed to do after the 2006 season. Damian Williams transferred as saying that strange events were happening on the team.
Mustain wanted to redshirt as he said he wasn't ready but Nutt refused as his shitty QB development continued on. He got bullied because Nutt spread rumors to other members of the team. Mustain NEVER claimed he was the savior of anything. Nutt never tried to control any situation because he doesn't know how. He created a toxic environment.
Mustain never should have came here. Nutt is a terrible QB developer and OC. Mustain should have thought with his head and not his heart. Nutt is a liar and a narcissist, he only hurts and not help.
Nutt did NOTHING here that was amazing. If so then he wouldn't have gotten fired at Arkansas and Ole Miss. Both schools that suffered after his departure.
Lack of institutional control isn't silly. It might not be like Miami in the 80s and 90s but Nutt lost control in the last two years. They covered it up for Nutt because the impeding embarrassment if more skeletons came out of the closet.
If Mustain is such a pussy then Nutt must be as well. He bragged a bout getting a scholarship from Bear Bryant but couldn't hack it under Lou Holtz and transferred to Oklahoma State. Nutt is leading by example.
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 5:42 am
Posted on 4/29/21 at 12:42 am to Hogfan13
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Eli Manning Oh wait, you said my. Oh well.
Name all the better former Arkansas QBs? OM has2 former Giants better than anything the Hawgs can come up with, plus his Daddy...
Posted on 4/29/21 at 7:03 am to boston vol
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:42 am to internetdad
Tua all day long. Seccg and cfp came in with a resounding 49 qbr.
Honorable mention
Walter Lewis
Blake Barnett
Brodie
Honorable mention
Walter Lewis
Blake Barnett
Brodie
Posted on 4/29/21 at 1:49 pm to VADawg
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The only time that i think we relied on him for an entire game to win was his last game (michigan state bowl game)
2008 LSU was the best game he played at Georgia. He had better days statistically but he was in total control for that entire game. IIRC, he audibled into 4 of our 5 offensive TDs that day.
Knowshon ran for 168 yards and 7.8 ypa.
Gamble returned 2 interceptions for touchdowns.
Im not ignoring how well Stafford played. But he had a ton of help (particularly in the running game which also included a sweep for 22 yards by AJ Green).
Lots of UGA QBs put up great numbers when the running game is providing great support. Stafford put up 3 games in his 3 year career over 300 yards because he either leaned on the running game for support or struggled when the running game wasnt there.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 1:55 pm to TouchdownTony
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Brodie
It's difficult to be a QB at any school when your offensive line starts to collapse as soon as the ball is snapped.
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