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Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:31 pm to meansonny
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But yes... stafford threw 3 picks. Backfoot, from his own endzone, poor decision type throws.
He was a big reason why we got blown out.
And back to my original point, Stafford only had good games when the rushing attack was on point (2008 Mich State and 2006 Auburn being the only exceptions).
No one did anything against our D after week 4 that season. Again, you could have had Peyton Manning at QB and we would’ve blown y’all out. You were a vastly inferior team from coaching to skilled players to in the trenches.
Given Stafford’s success with practically 0 run game in the NFL I really do believe UGA would’ve been a better team with a better play caller and a more wide open offense when he was there.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 12:16 am to dchog
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Mustain to Cleveland for the win in OT. McFadden helped but himself wasn't enough to win that game. Mustain was serviceable not horrible.
Any QB is damaged goods under the Nutt. He never had a chance and NEVER should have came to Arkansas. Deciding against his best judgement. Ryan Mallet of all people was smart enough not to go here while Nutt was around.
Nutt holds the 2nd most wins in Arkansas history behind Broyles and had by far provided the most entertaining football Razorback fans have seen in the past 40 years. But hey, let's take a kid from Springdale's side.. one that trashed his team, talked shite about his coach in public while he was the starting QB and one who basically gave up on his team.
The kid is the pure definition of overrated and he proved that when he went to USC and could barley get into a game. He was a high school QB with a great arm that was never going to be more than a highschool QB.
He basically is one of those kids who is still living in highschool, never matured never understood what it took to lead a group of men at the college level.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 6:23 am to FireDanMullen
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Given Stafford’s success with practically 0 run game in the NFL I really do believe UGA would’ve been a better team with a better play caller and a more wide open offense when he was there.
No.
You miss the point completely about Stafford in college.
He played his last game at UGA as a 20 year old. His talents werent wasted at UGA. They were developing.
We could compare stats for Stafford as a 20 year old at UGA (junior year) to several college QBs at 20 years old to get the point.
Mac Jones' 2018 stats?
Joe Burrow's 2017 stats?
Kyle Trask's 2018 stats?
The all time leader in the SEC for several stats (Aaron Murray) was 20 years old in his redshirt freshman campaign.
Back to the thread... UGA fans remember the hype about Stafford coming in. And the hype of Stafford leaving. But we only saw the finished product against Michigan State in Stafford's last bowl game. As a dawg, he is very overrated in college (because he was 18, 19, and 20 years old)
This post was edited on 4/22/21 at 6:26 am
Posted on 4/22/21 at 7:04 am to internetdad
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Guess I should have stated I meant fan base hype, not necessarily their high school ratings.
I remember people acting like JPW was Brady.
When he left Alabama John Parker Wilson was the all-time passing leader. You just picked the one-time, all-time passing leader as most overrated.
He was the guy who helps destroy Georgia in the "Blackout" game. He helped destroyed Clemson in Atlanta opening game and truly getting Bama back under Nick Saban. He was the QB who finally broke the Tubby finger count against us. Played a great game and broke LSU's stranglehold on the west with a huge win in Baton Rouge. He took us to an undefeated regular season and came within the fourth quarter of beating Florida in the SECCG.
What the hell!
Posted on 4/22/21 at 7:41 am to meansonny
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We could compare stats for Stafford as a 20 year old at UGA (junior year) to several college QBs at 20 years old to get the point.
Mac Jones' 2018 stats?
Joe Burrow's 2017 stats?
Kyle Trask's 2018 stats?
The age thing is overblown, the way players get better is through live game reps so this is a dumb comparison since Stafford started more games than all of these guys.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 9:28 am to SidewalkTiger
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The age thing is overblown, the way players get better is through live game reps so this is a dumb comparison since Stafford started more games than all of these guys.
You are just stating that because Joe Burrow was was a 23 year old when he won the heisman and was outperforming a bunch of 19-21 year olds when he won the national championship.
Stafford started games at 18 years old. It is laughable that your expectation of joe burrow, mac jones, and kyle trask as an 18 and 19 year old in the sec is the same as stafford.
Stafford is way more talented than all of them. But he had to learn the conference (speed) and position (complexity and form).
The proof is in the pudding. The lions said he was the best and most prepared rookie qb that they had ever seen. Those game reps in an nfl system got him there. But instead of learning in the nfl, he learned as a college kid who wasnt old enough to drink legally.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 9:44 am to meansonny
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You are just stating that because Joe Burrow was was a 23 year old when he won the heisman and was outperforming a bunch of 19-21 year olds when he won the national championship.
Stafford started games at 18 years old. It is laughable that your expectation of joe burrow, mac jones, and kyle trask as an 18 and 19 year old in the sec is the same as stafford.
The only way your age excuse makes sense is if a quarterback uses those years to become an expert in the system he's running.
Burrow, for instance, played in three separate systems. Physically, there isn't much difference in a 22 year old and a 20 year old.
This post was edited on 4/22/21 at 9:45 am
Posted on 4/22/21 at 10:07 am to SidewalkTiger
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Physically, there isn't much difference in a 22 year old and a 20 year old.
:rotflmao:
Posted on 4/22/21 at 10:10 am to internetdad
Jeremy Johnson and its not even close.
Dude was hyped for Heisman ffs
Dude was hyped for Heisman ffs
Posted on 4/22/21 at 10:14 am to SidewalkTiger
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The only way your age excuse makes sense
First off... what the hell is an age excuse? Lol
My point is that 18, 19, and 20 year olds are developing in college. Aaron Murray was a redshirt freshman (at 20 years old). Why was he a redshirt? Because he was developing into a college QB.
19, 20, 21, 22, and 23 year olds are developing too.
Have you never heard that the peak athlete is 28-29 years old?
How do you think people reach that peak? Skip over 21, 22, 23, 24 etc...? Lol
Posted on 4/22/21 at 10:24 am to internetdad
My hatred of Notre Dame is seeping through with this post.
Wore #3 or the number of Heisman's he was going to win. Of course it's not true, Beano said it would be two.
and this guy................
Wore #3 or the number of Heisman's he was going to win. Of course it's not true, Beano said it would be two.
and this guy................
Posted on 4/22/21 at 10:51 am to meansonny
Again, not much difference physically in a 20 or a 22 year old.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 11:25 am to SidewalkTiger
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Again, not much difference physically in a 20 or a 22 year old.
Tell that to 18 year old Travon Walker who was chasing 23 year old Joe Burrow around in the SEC Championship Game.
These are elite athletes. Not average Joes. I can agree to disagree with what can be accomplished in 2+ years of a college level strength and conditioning program (in addition to 2+ years of coaching and film).
Deep down, you know im right. Lol.
2 years in a college strength and conditioning... 2 years spring/summer/fall camps doesnt change much? OK.
Keep beating that drum as the nfl is dominated by 25-29 year olds.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 11:29 am to meansonny
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Tell that to 18 year old Travon Walker who was chasing 23 year old Joe Burrow around in the SEC Championship Game.
Joe Burrow was 22 during that game.
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Keep beating that drum as the nfl is dominated by 25-29 year olds.
If your premise is true, the 29 year olds should be dominant over the 25 year olds.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 11:35 am to TroyTider
Billy Ray played for Spurrier at Duke. He just got in Bill Curry’s dog house at Bama and Jeff Dunn and David Smith jumped ahead.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 12:21 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Keep beating that drum as the nfl is dominated by 25-29 year olds.
If your premise is true, the 29 year olds should be dominant over the 25 year olds.
Im not an NFL guy.
Peak athletes are 28-29 year old (MLB is the easiest to recognize this 29 year olds continuously outperform themselves at 25 and the average 25 year old. It holds true for hockey as well. I dont know the NBA or NFL).
There is enough contact in the NFL that the body can break down before 28 or 29 years old. I dont know if that is the case or not. But eliminating the physical aspects of sports, MLB and thr NBA should be the best gauge for when an athlete is at his peak.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 3:03 pm to dchog
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Mustain to Cleveland for the win in OT. McFadden helped but himself wasn't enough to win that game. Mustain was serviceable not horrible.
Any QB is damaged goods under the Nutt. He never had a chance and NEVER should have came to Arkansas. Deciding against his best judgement. Ryan Mallet of all people was smart enough not to go here while Nutt was around.
Serviceable but not horrible.. I had to go back and look at the stats from this game because I don't remember that. Here is what I found:
He went 7 fo 22, Pct 31.8
97 Yards passing
1 TD
3 Int
2 Rushing attempts for -5
Damn, that's serviceable? So you are telling me because he had 1 lucky pass at the end of the game that it clears him from being the most overrated QB of all time? Come on man. He was known as the 'Interception King' for a reason.
Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:14 pm to Hellmet
For Arkansas and the other 15 teams he played for..........Ricky Town
Posted on 4/22/21 at 5:03 pm to internetdad
Eli Manning
Oh wait, you said my school. Oh well.
Oh wait, you said my school. Oh well.
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