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Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:38 pm to Korin
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Korin
As someone who has lived outside of SEC country for a while now, I can guarantee you that nobody outside of Florida sees "The University of Florida" on a resume and thinks anything other than "oh, another state school grad."
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:41 pm to MaroonNation
Your president is a liar or an idiot. Not enough 28s in Mississippi for anyone to have that average. 28 is in the 90th percentile nationally and MS is below average nationally.
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:41 pm to DCRebel
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nobody outside of Florida sees "The University of Florida" on a resume and thinks anything other than "oh, another state school grad."
Not true. Surely there's one or two who would be impressed. There are many ignorant folks in the world though so your point is well taken. Some folks just don't know.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:41 pm to lsupride87
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Sorry if you think anyone in New York or anywhere else besides the south gives a shite about LSU or UF. They dont. We are lumped into the same pot
Most people only really place emphasis on a few schools throughout the country, most others get lumped into 3 categories. big school, never heard of that school and shite school. Unless you are in a specialized career field, no one cares, especially outside of a particular region
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:54 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
This article from archdaily lists Auburn and Arkansas as top 20 undergraduate schools of architecture.
If you scroll down, it lists LSU as #3 in landscape architecture graduate schools, and #1 in landscape architecture undergrad.
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Its weird to me that some schools are so Ag or so Liberal Arts that they don't have both architecture schools and law schools.
If you scroll down, it lists LSU as #3 in landscape architecture graduate schools, and #1 in landscape architecture undergrad.
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Its weird to me that some schools are so Ag or so Liberal Arts that they don't have both architecture schools and law schools.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:56 pm to aggressor
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You can be a great school and not be in the AAU but if you are in the AAU it is damn hard to not be a great school, especially since they started kicking some strong members to the curb in recent years like Nebraska and Syracuse.
AAU membership is hard to get and doesn't necessarily reflect a school's past 20 years of prestige, IMO. Carnegie research classifications are a better general indicator of which insitutions are good vs great research institutions.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:01 pm to Dawgnational
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The problem is that Usnews under-ranks large public universities by taking into account peer reviews, endowment per students, and other useless factors.
There are many large public universities that are highly ranked.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:02 pm to lsupride87
Lsupride87 is on the money. This thread (and the myriad others that keep popping up) is basically a chance for people who went to big state schools that are indistinguishable to the naked, or Yankee, eye to argue about the minutiae they think makes their school special.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:09 pm to DCRebel
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As someone who has lived outside of SEC country for a while now, I can guarantee you that nobody outside of Florida sees "The University of Florida" on a resume and thinks anything other than "oh, another state school grad."
Very true.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:12 pm to RazorbackKing
Mississippi. Where brain cells go to die.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:12 pm to brewhan davey
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You can only improve if you're Mississippi State. Easy to see why it is number 1.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:12 pm to Numberwang
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You can be a great school and not be in the AAU but if you are in the AAU it is damn hard to not be a great school, especially since they started kicking some strong members to the curb in recent years like Nebraska and Syracuse.
AAU membership is hard to get and doesn't necessarily reflect a school's past 20 years of prestige, IMO. Carnegie research classifications are a better general indicator of which insitutions are good vs great research institutions.
AAU isn't perfect but it has done a lot to bolster its reputation recently by kicking out some old members and accepting some long overdue members. It was ridiculous that Georgia Tech only became a member a few years ago for instance. It does operate like a Frat though that has traditionally not given Southern schools their proper credit.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:27 pm to Dawgnational
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USnews is not accurate.. LSU, UGA, A&M, and Kentucky all have improved their research profiles tremendously in recent years. The problem is that Usnews under-ranks large public universities by taking into account peer reviews, endowment per students, and other useless factors. Usnews is more indicative of "prestige" of a school than academics.
yea that's pretty much it,, the OP's subject line is also not accurate.
For example UGA has undergone a large increase in funding from enrollment and price hikes, largely due to the relatively recent lottery money(Hope Scholarship). They(you) have built a really nice, new multimillion dollar student commons, does that really have anything to do w/ academics? Not much, but it does make students feel better about themselves and their campus/school, hence the "rating" boost.
I'll go out on a limb right now and predict that the new money from the SECN will tremendously boost these type of construction projects and you will see the SEC schools all jump up on these lists. Prompting non-SEC schools to demand further delineation between academics and "campus spending projects" so as not to fall behind on these listings.
In the long run, I think the new money from the SECN will do a great deal academically for SEC schools. For example schools like aTm, UF, MSU, and Mizzou that take engineering seriously will have 10's of millions to upgrade those departments, use for research and increase salary's to draw the best professors. Over time the affect of the SEC Networks success will be seen academically and have a tremendous impact, but it won't happen over night.
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:30 pm to RazorbackKing
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USNWR
Oh boy
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:34 pm to SunHog
SunHog, what are your thoughts on the Walton MBA program? Really looking into applying there when I finish up at LSU. Seems like a legitimate national brand
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:36 pm to DCRebel
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As someone who has lived outside of SEC country for a while now, I can guarantee you that nobody outside of Florida sees "The University of Florida" on a resume and thinks anything other than "oh, another state school grad."
here again I would disagree - it depends on the field and the nature of the employer.
This definitely matters in the natural sciences and arts/humanities because those fields function like apprenticeships in that it really matters with WHOM you worked. If they don't recognize that name they will (hopefully) know someone in the same department, etc. That's why I assert UC-Irvine is not really just some "state school". Now whether that's the best way to do things is a whole other matter.
For business, engineering, law medicine and other applied fields, perhaps this is not so much the case as the hiring practices are more purely meritocratic?
However, the various ranking schema are all flawed in some manner. If you are employed in the field you want and are happy, then it doesn't matter. Just more trolling for internet fora.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:36 pm to RazorbackKing
If I were a prospective student, I'd be more concerned with the ranking of the department of my field of study than the ranking of the university as a whole.
South Carolina does need to improve though on that overall ranking more for the amount of money that it costs to attend.
South Carolina does need to improve though on that overall ranking more for the amount of money that it costs to attend.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:40 pm to FarmersFight
quote:See, I know alot of people want to beleive this, but it just isnt true 99% of the time. I am an accountant for a huge company, and our headquarters are in New York. My local office in Nashville has people from every SEC school you can imagine. Our international controller in New York and all the other big wigs sees all of us the exact freaking same, even though UF has a very highly regarded accounting program. It will help if you want to get into a grad school up north, but for an actual employer it just doesnt
here again I would disagree - it depends on the field and the nature of the employer.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 1:44 pm to roadGator
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Not true. Surely there's one or two who would be impressed. There are many ignorant folks in the world though so your point is well taken. Some folks just don't know.
Okay, I didn't literally mean nobody, but my point still stands.
I'm not saying there aren't great educational opportunities at Florida or anything like that, I'm just saying that the Florida brand is one of Tim Tebows and Joakim Noahs, not Rhodes Scholars.
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