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re: Malzahn lobbying to move AU to the East
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:36 am to StopRobot
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:36 am to StopRobot
This seems to be the topic for Auburn every offseason but Auburn moving to the East would make things terribly unbalanced. Aside from the anomaly a few years ago of OM and State turning the West into a murder division for a very short time, the divisions are pretty much 3 teams on either side with Bama's ridiculous run making them a favorite every year.
UF beat LSU last year while UGA beat Auburn and Tennessee lost to Bama. The W-L records reflect a lot of parity.
Where the West has shown to be a better division has been in terms of the traditional cellar dwellers stepping up with OM and State having finally built programs that are better than UK and Vandy. TAMU seems destined to be a consistently good to mediocre team whereas SCAR has had both highs and lows in recent years. And of course, Mizzou had two decent years, particularly the first year they won the division (that was a really good team but it ran into a buzz-saw with AU being a team that really should've won a National Championship that year).
With Mullen at State, I think they will continue to be a respectable if up and down program. OM is in a mess and who knows how that will work out. At the same time USCe matches the rise of State. I'm not certain that Mizzou sees similar success again with everything going against them.
All that said, if it didn't imbalance things so much I'd love to see Auburn in the East. I just don't think it would be the sure fire way to win a division the way so many West homers and media seem to think. The available facts don't really support that.
UF beat LSU last year while UGA beat Auburn and Tennessee lost to Bama. The W-L records reflect a lot of parity.
Where the West has shown to be a better division has been in terms of the traditional cellar dwellers stepping up with OM and State having finally built programs that are better than UK and Vandy. TAMU seems destined to be a consistently good to mediocre team whereas SCAR has had both highs and lows in recent years. And of course, Mizzou had two decent years, particularly the first year they won the division (that was a really good team but it ran into a buzz-saw with AU being a team that really should've won a National Championship that year).
With Mullen at State, I think they will continue to be a respectable if up and down program. OM is in a mess and who knows how that will work out. At the same time USCe matches the rise of State. I'm not certain that Mizzou sees similar success again with everything going against them.
All that said, if it didn't imbalance things so much I'd love to see Auburn in the East. I just don't think it would be the sure fire way to win a division the way so many West homers and media seem to think. The available facts don't really support that.
This post was edited on 5/17/17 at 10:47 am
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Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:37 am to StopRobot
The only reason the conference doesn't know east from west is because of the idiots who lord Alabama over the conference. Everyone else wants it. SEC: Alabama and the ditto heads.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:37 am to Luke
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We are more than happy to keep MSU as our new traditional western division rival redbird...
Ha yea yea - in all seriousness it's been a fun series these past few years. I doubt many consider State v AU a "rivalry game" but the Newton saga really turned up the heat in the series during the past decade.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:39 am to Luke
What do the Missouri fans think about this? I guess the idea would be to move Missouri to the West.
Missouri would get A&M back on the schedule permanently.
Guess the Mississippi schools and LSU are closer than Georgia, Florida, and USC.
If somehow Kentucky or Vandy were the permanent cross opponent I think it would be a better deal honestly. But what do Mizzou fans think?
Hmmmm, assuming Auburn went to the east...
Do we really know for certain that Auburn/Alabama doesn't go away?
Remember they didn't play each other for 30 or 50 years or something till they picked it back up.
Who would the permanent opponents be in this situation?
LSU/Florida has been a thing since 71 or something. Though I think I've read both schools aren't so excited about having a perennially great team as the permanent opponent.
But:
LSU/Florida?
Alabama/(Tennessee or Auburn)?
Mississippi/
MSU/?
Arkansas/?
Missouri/?
A&M/(Please God, not South Carolina)
Probably make more sense for Auburn to play Alabama, and Tennessee/A&M.
So here's my pitch:
LSU/Florida
A&M/Tennessee
Alabama/Auburn
Mississippi State/South Carolina
Mississippi/Vanderbilt
Missouri/Kentucky
Georgia/Arkansas
Perfect. Tennessee and Georgia get the long road trips. Missouri gets as good a deal geographically as it can in this league.
The LSU/Florida game has been around for a while and it will be continued.
The rest of the SEC gets to stick an upraised middle finger in Bama and Tennessee's face. After roughly 90 years it's time.
What's not to like? Only thing that bugs me is whether MSU and Kentucky are attached to their particular game. My take is it means as much to them as the Arkansas game meant to USC fans. Not sure but I think the commute distance between our three schools is about the same regardless of pairing.
Missouri would get A&M back on the schedule permanently.
Guess the Mississippi schools and LSU are closer than Georgia, Florida, and USC.
If somehow Kentucky or Vandy were the permanent cross opponent I think it would be a better deal honestly. But what do Mizzou fans think?
Hmmmm, assuming Auburn went to the east...
Do we really know for certain that Auburn/Alabama doesn't go away?
Remember they didn't play each other for 30 or 50 years or something till they picked it back up.
Who would the permanent opponents be in this situation?
LSU/Florida has been a thing since 71 or something. Though I think I've read both schools aren't so excited about having a perennially great team as the permanent opponent.
But:
LSU/Florida?
Alabama/(Tennessee or Auburn)?
Mississippi/
MSU/?
Arkansas/?
Missouri/?
A&M/(Please God, not South Carolina)
Probably make more sense for Auburn to play Alabama, and Tennessee/A&M.
So here's my pitch:
LSU/Florida
A&M/Tennessee
Alabama/Auburn
Mississippi State/South Carolina
Mississippi/Vanderbilt
Missouri/Kentucky
Georgia/Arkansas
Perfect. Tennessee and Georgia get the long road trips. Missouri gets as good a deal geographically as it can in this league.
The LSU/Florida game has been around for a while and it will be continued.
The rest of the SEC gets to stick an upraised middle finger in Bama and Tennessee's face. After roughly 90 years it's time.
What's not to like? Only thing that bugs me is whether MSU and Kentucky are attached to their particular game. My take is it means as much to them as the Arkansas game meant to USC fans. Not sure but I think the commute distance between our three schools is about the same regardless of pairing.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:41 am to TheRaid
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The only reason the conference doesn't know east from west is because of the idiots who lord Alabama over the conference. Everyone else wants it. SEC: Alabama and the ditto heads.
There are 13 schools not named Alabama in the SEC. It would take a simple vote of those schools to move au
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:43 am to StopRobot
The SEC office being in Bham is an LSU problem. Why would Malzahn be working on that?
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:46 am to Cobb Dawg
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we run a clean division over here.
"Clean" really isnt the appropriate term for the pill poppers and dope heads at UGA...
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:47 am to StopRobot
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Why? There have been six SEC school that have won the championship in the last 50 years. Three are in the East. Three are in the West. How is disrupting that parity helpful?
I think it would better balance the Divisions. It Would at least be fun to try for a couple years.
Lets do North/South
North:
Mizzou
Ark
Ole Miss
Vandy
Kentucky
Tenn
USCe
South:
A&M
LSU
State
Bama
AU
UGA
FL
Talk about interesting..
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:47 am to Sunbeam
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What's not to like? Only thing that bugs me is whether MSU and Kentucky are attached to their particular game. My take is it means as much to them as the Arkansas game meant to USC fans. Not sure but I think the commute distance between our three schools is about the same regardless of pairing.
There's basically zero "rivalry" feeling in MSU/UK but both teams like it because it always seems winnable for both sides..we've taken advantage of it pretty well for the past decade. I wouldn't mind USC as a permanent, but would prefer to keep UK for the higher win probability
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:49 am to StopRobot
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StopRobot
You probably won't get Tennessee's vote without a guaranteed TSIO cross-divisional game. It may not matter to anyone else, but it matters to the Vols/Tide. It's easy to downplay this with the recent dark ages of Tennessee matching the great run by Bama, but these fan bases care about it IMO.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:49 am to bayou85
Love the way you think hombre.
Wow, that would have incredible games on the South side.
North not so much.
Wow, that would have incredible games on the South side.
North not so much.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:50 am to StopRobot
I do think it makes the most sense but I would rather play Auburn every year over playing at Missouri every other year!
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:51 am to Aubie Spr96
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Auburn belongs in the East. Our historical rivals are TN, FL, and GA.
upvote!
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:51 am to Prof
The only real downside from my perspective is losing AU/LSU, which became a pretty formidable game in the 2000s.
Ole Miss and MSU are fine on a rotating basis. I'll kind of miss playing A&M, but obviously there is no history there. Arkansas is either a thorn in our side or an annoying little brother constantly tugging on our shirt, so I won't miss them.
Ole Miss and MSU are fine on a rotating basis. I'll kind of miss playing A&M, but obviously there is no history there. Arkansas is either a thorn in our side or an annoying little brother constantly tugging on our shirt, so I won't miss them.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:52 am to bayou85
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North:
Mizzou
Ark
Ole Miss
Vandy
Kentucky
Tenn
USCe
Dear 8 pound 6 oz Baby Jesus, please let this happen. BUT you'd need to change it to Upper South and Lower South.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:53 am to Torch
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You probably won't get Tennessee's vote without a guaranteed TSIO cross-divisional game. It may not matter to anyone else, but it matters to the Vols/Tide. It's easy to downplay this with the recent dark ages of Tennessee matching the great run by Bama, but these fan bases care about it IMO.
I agree.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:53 am to bayou85
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Lets do North/South
The only way I'm interested in that is if it's like the soccer leagues where only teams in the South division can win the championship. After every year, you switch out the last place team in the South division with the first place team in the North division.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:56 am to StopRobot
Wouldn't mind. We've been more successful in our last three games vs. Auburn than our last three games vs. Mizzou.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:01 am to StopRobot
Don't say everybody wants Auburn to move to the East. That's a blatant lie. (Not you StopRobot, I replied to the wrong poster)
I don't want to see the top teams in the 2 divisions look like what's listed below every year:
East:
Florida
Tennessee
Georgia
Auburn
West:
Alabama
LSU
That's not parity. Who steps up and consistently challenges LSU and Alabama every year? Ole Miss? Mississippi St? Arkansas? Missouri? A&M? That's laughable.
Adding Missouri to the West does nothing to the West in terms of competition or altering the road to Atlanta. If anything it makes the road to Atlanta easier for Bama or LSU. Missouri instantly jumps to the bottom of that division and the battle for the West now goes through Baton Rouge or Tuscaloosa even easier than before.
Auburn wants out of the West because it's a tougher division at the top -- Not because of some BS distance excuse you're trying to sell. Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida fans aren't jumping through the roof to make sure that this happens because of some "Traditional rivals" BS. That's laughable. Auburn wants this change for its own selfish reasons. Not for parity. Give me a break.
I'll be the first to say it and I don't give a damn about it. I don't want Auburn in the East and I hope that it never happens.
I don't want to see the top teams in the 2 divisions look like what's listed below every year:
East:
Florida
Tennessee
Georgia
Auburn
West:
Alabama
LSU
That's not parity. Who steps up and consistently challenges LSU and Alabama every year? Ole Miss? Mississippi St? Arkansas? Missouri? A&M? That's laughable.
Adding Missouri to the West does nothing to the West in terms of competition or altering the road to Atlanta. If anything it makes the road to Atlanta easier for Bama or LSU. Missouri instantly jumps to the bottom of that division and the battle for the West now goes through Baton Rouge or Tuscaloosa even easier than before.
Auburn wants out of the West because it's a tougher division at the top -- Not because of some BS distance excuse you're trying to sell. Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida fans aren't jumping through the roof to make sure that this happens because of some "Traditional rivals" BS. That's laughable. Auburn wants this change for its own selfish reasons. Not for parity. Give me a break.
I'll be the first to say it and I don't give a damn about it. I don't want Auburn in the East and I hope that it never happens.
This post was edited on 5/17/17 at 11:05 am
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:04 am to Torch
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You probably won't get Tennessee's vote without a guaranteed TSIO cross-divisional game. It may not matter to anyone else, but it matters to the Vols/Tide. It's easy to downplay this with the recent dark ages of Tennessee matching the great run by Bama, but these fan bases care about it IMO.
Bama and their admin. feel the same way. The TSIO will remain intact regardless of what anyone else says. I think they are indifferent as to which division AU resides, but the TSIO will take precedence.
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