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re: Mac Jones top returning SEC starter

Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:07 pm to
Posted by TigerinKorea
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:07 pm to
Myles Brennan > Mac Jones
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:12 pm to
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Those quick passes do not show how the OL holds up. Jones was on his back half the time against Auburn


Per SEC Stat Cast Mac Jones had the lowest % of passes pressured in the entire SEC. He was pressured on 23% of throws against Auburn.

Alabama was #1 in sacks allowed per game and #4 in tackles for loss allowed per game.

The offensive line was not a problem.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:27 pm to
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Per SEC Stat Cast Mac Jones had the lowest % of passes pressured in the entire SEC. He was pressured on 23% of throws against Auburn.

Alabama was #1 in sacks allowed per game and #4 in tackles for loss allowed per game.

The offensive line was not a problem.


Like I said, the quick passes prevent pressure. That is why those stats are worthless. Again, he was on his back against Auburn whenever it took more than 3 seconds to pass. It caused the 100 yard return against AU, it cause the injurys against Tua and it caused Tua to fumble on the first drive against LSU. They were not much better in 2017 and 2018, but it was compensated for by other positions.
Posted by DayBowBow
Member since Jun 2011
5038 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:30 pm to
Kentucky's returning QB is 12-3 as a starter.
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:36 pm to
Mac Jones strikes fear in no one!!!
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:37 pm to
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Like I said, the quick passes prevent pressure. That is why those stats are worthless


So your argument is because we ran a quick passing game that means that inherently we would have given up sacks? I mean.......alright? The switch to a quick passing game was because that is what Sark runs, not to cover for issues up front.

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it cause the injurys against Tua


I mean it literally had nothing to do with the injuries to Tua

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it caused Tua to fumble on the first drive against LSU


The offensive line is the reason for a fumble on this play below ay?




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They were not much better in 2017 and 2018, but it was compensated for by other positions.


Sounds good
This post was edited on 1/6/20 at 2:42 pm
Posted by LSUtiger89
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
3637 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:41 pm to
Trask... end of discussion
Posted by Sid E Walker
InsecureU ©
Member since Nov 2013
23884 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:43 pm to
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Alabama returns a very large piece of its' offense next year. Not to mention a lot of experience on defense, and a damn KICKER

Not holding my breath on the kicker thing until we have one that’s hitting 80-90% inside the 40 and 100% of PATs through November.
Posted by Crimsontide1713
Member since Dec 2019
2619 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:45 pm to
Oh boy...

First of all, Mac throws down field a lot.

Second of all, he was pressured immediately after the snap that led to the 100 yd pick-six because Kaho (LB that we put at fb) whiffed on the block. It was nowhere near 3 seconds

Thirdly, Tua’s fumble had nothing to do with our O-line. It was a fluke fumble
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:48 pm to
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If Jake Fromm jumps to the NFL, which SEC team has a better starter next year then Mac Jones?

Guessing Georgia and LSU go for a grad transfer for QB

Even if Fromm comes back, Jones might be a better QB from what I've seen , he definitely throws a better deep ball than Fromm

More snaps with the 1st string and more film study and the ability to not repeat his mistakes from this season and you guys are in good shape with Jones at QB
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
19691 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:50 pm to
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Brennan will be at least as good as Mac
lol
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:52 pm to
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So your argument is because we ran a quick passing game that means that inherently we would have given up sacks? I mean.......alright? The switch to a quick passing game was because that is what Sark runs, not to cover for issues up front.


No, but the coaches recognized those weaknesses and did not subject Tua and especially Johns to that risk. Didn't work for Tua because he liked to run out of the pocket.

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I mean it literally had nothing to do with the injuries to Tua


Really, Tua wasn't scrambling when he hurt his ankle ? He wasn't being chased out of the pocket when two DL fell on him ?

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The offensive line is the reason for a fumble on this play below ay?



Nice still photo, what was happening the two seconds prior to that shot.

I have been saying this for a while, the OL cost them the last two years. That is why I said I thought Bama had a chance against Clemson last year with Hurts as the QB. His running ability would have taken the heat off the OL in that game.
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
13020 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:53 pm to
Brennan will have better stats than Mac Jones at the end of the season next year.

Please bookmark this and let’s revisit it at the end of next season.

Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
23711 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:54 pm to
They don't know what Brennan will do. I've seen him play, he looked competent. Against backups. Throwing slants.

They seem to think he will put up numbers like Joe. But they have the same problem we have at the moment. WHO is coming back and who isn't?

Isn't Jefferson draft eligible? Bye. The stumpy little back they have? Bye. Who else?
This post was edited on 1/6/20 at 2:56 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:55 pm to
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Really, Tua wasn't scrambling when he hurt his ankle ?


Yes, because the 2 WR on the play weren't open, as Todd Blackledge very clearly points out on the broadcast. It was a coverage scramble, and one where he should have chunked it the second he passed the tackle box line.

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He wasn't being chased out of the pocket when two DL fell on him ?


He was literally in the pocket for 5 seconds on this one. Then he scrambled, then he drifted backwards to try and wait for a receiver to get open, THEN he got hit.

So no, neither was on the o-line.

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Nice still photo, what was happening the two seconds prior to that shot.



What the hell does that have to do with "causing him to fumble"? Two seconds prior he had firm control of the ball. In this instance he is drifting right with firm control of the ball.

Once again, you stated

quote:

it caused Tua to fumble on the first drive against LSU


The offensive line had zero to do with the fumble.

This post was edited on 1/6/20 at 2:56 pm
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43811 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:57 pm to
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Burrow will be at least as good as Tua


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lol


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Brennan will be at least as good as Mac


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lol


Deja Vu anyone?
This post was edited on 1/6/20 at 2:58 pm
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
23711 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:57 pm to
Tua would not just give up on a play and live to fight the next one. It cost him.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:59 pm to
Yea I don't understand how anyone can do the whole "so and so is definitely going to be better than so and so" after this past season.

Wild to me how immediately people forget things.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
24003 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 3:00 pm to
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which SEC team has a better starter next year then Mac Jones


So you're already assuming Mac Jones won't be the best in the conference?

Why don't you tell us your thoughts then if you've already got Jones as at most second best?
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 3:02 pm to
The coverage sacks narrative doesn’t tell the story. Coverage sacks on deep and intermediate routes are on the QB, but with short quick routes it is on the OL.
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