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LSU-Alabama X’s and O’s conversation

Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:46 pm
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:46 pm
Going to try to have a non troll thread but we’ll see.

I’m picking Alabama to win this game, though we have a bit more than a punchers chance which is incredible considering where this LSU team was even a few weeks ago. Brian Kelly has done an outstanding job here so far.

The offense has evolved significantly since the opener against Florida State. They’ve moved away from the slow developing play action game and started forcing defenses to chose between 1) Daniels outside run 2) counter or trap between the tackles 3) RPO slant or 4) Zone killer 15-20 yard passes between the safety and corner. All 4 options have been effective when defenses don’t respect them.

People have been saying okay we’re going to make Jayden beat us throwing, but the OL has improved enough in both run and pass coverage that teams can’t squat on us in coverage the way they were earlier in the year.

Jayden has been a slow starter but consistently improves as the game goes on, he was throwing absolute darts by the mid 2nd quarter the other night and has been responsible for 750 yards and 11 touchdowns the last 2 games.

The Wide Receiver room is excellent with 3 top end starters and several other solid contributors. The running backs are led by a former walk on who isn’t physically imposing but does everything with intensity and attention to detail.

Ultimately though you’re dealing with a team that’s starting two true freshman tackles, and while both have been as good as any freshman linemen we’ve had here going back 20 or 30 years, they’re still freshman and Alabama is going to have the advantage there.

Defensively the first player to talk about is another true freshman, Harold Perkins who has been extremely disruptive as a pass rusher and overall lifts the play of his teammates with the energy he brings. I try to avoid hyperbole but he’s the best freshman defender I’ve seen at LSU in a long time.

BJ Ojulari is the other elite pass rusher to be accounted for. The problem thus far is both he and Perkins play the same position in Matt House’s defense, and thus far they’ve been reluctant to play both at the same time as they feel it makes us light against the run. The front 7 overall has been very good though not yet as deep a room as they’d like at linebacker and Maason Smith, probably the best lineman on the team, was lost for the year against Florida State.

The secondary has been up and down and we’re badly exploited against Tennessee. This is another area I expect Alabama to be able to take advantage of though I wouldn’t call them bad per se, just inconsistent

Special Teams has been absolutely horrible most of the year. That they didn’t make a game jeopardizing mistake against Ole Miss is the most positive thing I can say about them. Muffed kicks, missed field goals, and poor return coverage have all been issues, though our punter has been good.

Overall I don’t expect LSU to be able to win this game, though just the thought that’s they might in year 1 of a full rebuild says a lot about the current trajectory of the program.

Regardless, it’s nice that the LSU-Alabama game means something again.
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 10:57 pm
Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:56 pm to
We need to keep Bryce Young from playing flag football out there. I like Perkins harassing him.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:57 pm to
This Alabama team SHOULD be nearly unbeatable.

There’s absolutely no reason that they can’t be extremely aggressive rushing the passer to make it wildly difficult for any QB to find open receivers. Hell I don’t even think Koolaid and 7 will have trouble covering receivers given an aggressive DL.

And the safeties are good.

But if Alabama gets zero pressure LSU won’t have any issues building upon what they’ve built.

Alabama should be looking at scoring 30 points to secure every single game they play. But nothing I’ve seen tells me that is realistic.

I think Alabama wins a wildly stupid looking game at something like 37 to 34.

I wouldn’t be shocked if LSU won.

I don’t know enough about X’s and O’s to talk about them, though.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
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Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:00 pm to
Yeah, though even if we’re able to I unfortunately don’t think Bryce will be effected mentally by BJ/Perkins the same way Jaxon Dart was.
Posted by Rolltide10
Guntersville
Member since Aug 2009
1005 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:25 pm to
Amazing job BK has done this year. After the Fsu game I really thought this would be another tough year for Lsu. They aren't the same team now. Gonna be a close game and Bama has serious issues on the road for whatever reason..if not for Bryce Lsu would be favored..could go either way honestly
Posted by lsudave1
Baton Metairie
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:28 pm to
I know the one thing LSU cannot do is let Alabama get ahead but it just seems inevitable that we will spot our opponent a 10-17 point lead in the first half no matter what. LSU really has to focus on keeping Bryce's escapability in check which is a tall task. I have no idea how Daronte Jones of all people was able to draw up a defense to do that last year but I think it was because Ed finally gave up on his retarded strategy and let Daronte run the D on his own. If LSU lets Bryce do his thing early and gets down a few scores I don't see how we will come back.

For Alabama, they absolutely cannot play as sloppy as they did against Tennessee. LSU's receiver room is just as good as Tennessee's IMO and seems to be peaking at the right time. Bama cannot afford to let our receivers get open down field because Jayden will make them pay for it if he continues his play from the last few games.

Overall, I think for both teams it will come down to limiting mistakes and capitalizing when the other team commits one. While Bama will be more prepared for the crowd noise than Ole Miss was, Tiger Stadium will be at its peak come November 5th and could possibly play a factor in creating costly penalties. By the same token, LSU has to get its shite together on special teams big time. I don't know what to expect score wise other than the atmosphere on campus and in the stadium will be absolutely incredible and I can't wait. It feels good to be back.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:35 pm to
One problem my gump friend, he is a better runner that Bryce and often he just makes up runs. Therefore you can’t use your 150 coaches and extra week to prepare. You lose contain he will run, keep perfect contain but he sees a gap he may run, call perfect play on defense he way still run for 15.

Also we can pressure Bryce too as well as Tennessee did if not better. I’d we had Mason and our typical DBs we could possibly shut you down, (don’t worry he is back next year and we have possibly 3 5 star dbs in this class)

However, Bryce will make some plays. IF refs call a fair game and Daniels plays well, and our ST don’t shite the bed, I see another game just like Tennessee but more along 38-32 range maybe closer. The winner will have more points. I would say you have 68-70% of winning
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 11:40 pm
Posted by vuvuzela
Oregon
Member since Jun 2010
14663 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:40 pm to
Great analysis, really enjoyed the read. It has been impressive to watch your team improve week to week, clearly you have a good coach.

Will our team have the mental toughness to roll into Baton Rouge and grind out a tough road win? I honestly have no idea, but I know for a fact that our offensive coordinator will not exploit any weaknesses you have. Going to be a brawl, IMO, like many of our other games, decided in the 4th quarter.
Posted by davidlsu
Member since Jan 2008
2958 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:42 pm to
My biggest concerns are can we stop the running game and stop blown coverages, tenn was able to take advantage of the blown coverages and just like tenn Alabama won't drop the passes when they are wide open.


How will our freshman tackles hold up against the Alabama pass rush, if our tackles can hold up we have a shot our wr can hold their own.

If we give up a big lead in first half i don't think we can play catch up.


Im happy where we are i honestly though we would have lost two more games by now so to even have a say in the west in November feels good. Excited to see where we go from here.

Hopefully we don't have a special teams f up lol
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83487 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:42 pm to
It would be a godsend if Alabama simply lost contain and a QB picked up 6-12 yards and kept the clock running.

Alabama is getting beat by QBs having 30 minutes to find a receiver.

I don’t even mind losing in the way you’re describing.

I’d just like to see some Pruitt era chaos where Alabama let’s the ridiculously talented DL play football.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:44 pm to
I have no clue if our passing game will show up no one does
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:55 pm to
quote:

I wouldn’t be shocked if LSU won.


This. The last two seasons have been hugely frustrating watching talent get squandered.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83487 posts
Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:49 am to
quote:

I have no clue if our passing game will show up no one does
And Alabama doesn’t know week to week of any unit will show up. Basically spin a roulette wheel to see which unit will shite the bed.

There is so much unpredictability on both sides with this matchup.

Should be fun. And stressful.
Posted by geauxcoco
Greenville, SC
Member since Apr 2007
11028 posts
Posted on 10/25/22 at 11:55 am to
Don’t be surprised if our passing game shows up. They are finally executing at a high-level.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
14426 posts
Posted on 10/25/22 at 12:01 pm to
quote:

Amazing job BK has done this year. After the Fsu game I really thought this would be another tough year for Lsu. They aren't the same team now. Gonna be a close game and Bama has serious issues on the road for whatever reason..if not for Bryce Lsu would be favored..could go either way honestly


It's still a patchwork team with a lot of transfers and true FR starting so I think most LSU fans still think there will be some rough times until the roster gets stabilized.

I'm still concerned our DBs will have too many breakdowns to prevent Bama big plays and the game could get out of hand early. I'm also worried we give up a big return on ST. It will be interesting to see if House can get our D to play solid in the first 2 Qtrs of the game. He's done well with adjustments, but we have fallen behind every SEC game so far.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
36571 posts
Posted on 10/25/22 at 12:07 pm to
Alabama's corners are good enough to keep Daniels a little uncomfortable passing downfield. We're not good enough in the secondary to frustrate Bryce the same way.

I'll never pick against LSU at home on a Saturday night, but I don't feel good about this one.
Posted by tygerphan
Georgia
Member since Oct 2009
3258 posts
Posted on 10/25/22 at 12:13 pm to
I was told before the season this was Sabah's best roster with legitimate Heisman candidates on both sides of the ball. After Bama's rebuild year in 2021 and LSU finishing the year with thirtysomething scholarship players, this game shouldn't be close. The only reason they lost to UT was the refs.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
28476 posts
Posted on 10/25/22 at 12:19 pm to
Agree. I think the elation over seeing LSU gel and evolve while wonderful combined with Bama losing one game has LSU fans being pretty unrealistic about the game.

Bama is good all around and at the very least seems to match up with us well. That said LSU’s trajectory is pretty impressive. If the team has truly evolved then maybe a hard fought close game but by no means anywhere near a sure thing.
Posted by BhamTigah
Lurker since Jan 2003
Member since Jan 2007
14125 posts
Posted on 10/25/22 at 12:24 pm to
Under Miles/Orgeron, I always felt that both teams being on a bye before this game favored Bama because I knew Saban would take advantage of the extra time better than our coaches. I have more faith in our current staff to do their parts in preparing our team over the bye.

That said, I think LSU needs to play their best game and not get behind early to have any chance. We've been wearing teams down due to conditioning, but Bama is too deep and I have a feeling it will be our team breathing heavy in the 4th.

Regardless, very prod of this team and coaching staff for the improvement throughout the year.
Posted by Tiger on the Rag
Cattle Gap Egypt
Member since Jan 2018
6838 posts
Posted on 10/25/22 at 12:29 pm to
The problem for my tigers is this, You can't get into an early hole down 14 or more points. This is bama and the defense is always good. If they go up on us, don't count on halftime adjustments to be the savior. It would be too late. If we keep it within one possession at half, we have a chance. I don't think we are there yet to beat Bama, but we are coming.
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