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re: Lincoln Riley states his real reason for leaving OU and going to USC.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 11:44 am to Tideroller
Posted on 6/10/22 at 11:44 am to Tideroller
So if he doesn’t get it done at USC he is a schitty coach………
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Posted on 6/10/22 at 11:45 am to BoomerFNSooner
Where I thought venables would struggle, he has excelled.
He is going to be a better HC than I thought. But there is a high chance that he will be a victim of Ou’s move to the sec more so than his ability to be a HC.
He is going to be a better HC than I thought. But there is a high chance that he will be a victim of Ou’s move to the sec more so than his ability to be a HC.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 11:48 am to Krampus
I think it will be a good move for both sides in the long run, provided Venables can handle running a program like OU. I'm sure he'll have all the support he needs, and pivoting to a style that is built on defense should translate better in the SEC.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:05 pm to BoomerFNSooner
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OU has a good history of taking coordinators and turning them into decent coaches....
Venables may very well become a highly successful HC. I'm not saying he won't. He certainly has the potential.
I'm just saying it's not a sure thing. Some coaches who are truly elite coordinators just don't ever reach the same levels of success as a head coach that they can as coordinators. Will Muschamp and Barry Odom are prime examples.
But the only way to find out is for them to try it and see, which we are about to witness with Venables at OU.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:14 pm to Tideroller
It's not like you can't get elite D talent to OU. When the bootlegger's boy was there they were loaded all the time on D. Lincoln Riley is a pu$$y.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:19 pm to CedarChest
Exactly
Him saying he could not get top talent to OU is such BS. It’s a horrible endorsement about himself.
Him saying he could not get top talent to OU is such BS. It’s a horrible endorsement about himself.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:31 pm to Krampus
Agreed, Krampus. Another reason why fans may want to be in the SEC yesterday, but OU Admin isn't in any hurries moving why undergoing a huge coach/culture change. I am confident that OU will be better for it, but you're correct, plenty of examples where is just doesn't work.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:36 pm to Whentheleveebreaks
I've made my feelings known re: Riley, but to be fair: the defense ran by the previous DC before Grinch (Mike Stoops) was a shitshow. When Venables went to Clemson, the defense began falling apart. But Bob wouldn't shitcan Mike.
So you have a bunch of years with one bad DC and then another. Why would 5-star talent want to go to OU? We had a few standouts but nothing like before Brent left.
So you have a bunch of years with one bad DC and then another. Why would 5-star talent want to go to OU? We had a few standouts but nothing like before Brent left.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:45 pm to Tideroller
If Clemson can do it, Oklahoma can do it.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:50 pm to Ag Zwin
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Well, at least he’s honest about life in the Big 12.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:57 pm to Tideroller
His USC teams will have the flashy offense, win the PAC 12 and then get fvckin murdered by the SEC/elite teams in the playoffs. Rinse and Repeat. Same as he did here.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:58 pm to Grit-Eating Shin
Another third place in the Big 12 and Lincoln is fired… he was scared
Third place in the Pac and he is a hero ….
Third place in the Pac and he is a hero ….
Posted on 6/10/22 at 2:55 pm to Tideroller
Correct me if I'm wrong but those Caroll USC defenses recruited nationally at the time. The local West Coast kids are even softer at the positions OU can't recruit consistently enough that he is referring to. Oregon and Washington can both attest to this.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 4:09 pm to Krampus
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Some coaches who are truly elite coordinators just don't ever reach the same levels of success as a head coach that they can as coordinators. Will Muschamp and Barry Odom are prime examples.
Mike Dubose was a great player at Alabama, a great D line coach, and DC but he basically ruined us for several years.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 4:12 pm to Tideroller
Dude chose a guaranteed path and with coaching being as cutthroat as it is I don't blame him. For the life of me, I can't figure out why the hell Oklahoma would want to join.
Riley is about to be Pete Carroll 2.0 and there's no one out there to stand in his way.
Riley is about to be Pete Carroll 2.0 and there's no one out there to stand in his way.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 4:15 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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LOL - yea, cause his problem at Oklahoma was skill players on offense.
He's gonna sign the same types of kids at every position as he did at Oklahoma. He signed elite skill kids year after year at OU at QB/WR. They weren't his issue. His issue was the other side of the ball, specifically in the front 7, and he won't sign anything any differently out there either.
No. OU got elite castoffs. They picked clean programs in trouble. Half their team was Jeremy Pruitt's 3 win squad.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 4:22 pm to wutangfinancial
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Correct me if I'm wrong but those Caroll USC defenses recruited nationally at the time. The local West Coast kids are even softer at the positions OU can't recruit consistently enough that he is referring to. Oregon and Washington can both attest to this
You can recruit a nationally relevant OL with West Coast kids but there's no way to build a DL and front seven unless you're recruiting nationally.
Popo Aumavue and Brandon Dorlus at Oregon were the top graded interior DL in the Pac 12 last year. I wouldn't be surprised to see both as an UDFA in next year's draft. Dorlus probably has a 3rd round ceiling but he's out of Florida.
Washington probably had the best run of DL in the last 20 years with Vita Vea, Greg Gaines, Danny Shelton et al. all being from the West Coast. It seems crazy lucky because the same staff couldn't sustain it.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 4:30 pm to Tideroller
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That's a pretty big admission but I'm not sure I buy it altogether. It's also basically what Brian Kelly was saying about leaving ND. It will be interesting to see if the difficulty recruiting to a specific school (IE OU or ND) really was the problem by watching what happens at their new stops.
I think it's partially true. I think it's true that they couldn't recruit (and maybe coach) elite defenders and he didn't want to coach in the SEC. Whatever problems his teams had in the Big 12 would have been even more exposed week to week here.
I don't necessarily blame him. He got hired for one kind of gig and it was about to become a different kind of gig.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 4:34 pm to Prof
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Riley is about to be Pete Carroll 2.0 and there's no one out there to stand in his way.
Riley is no Pete Carroll who's charisma is unmatched and he's a coach that won the Super Bowl.
Oregon's roster management is far ahead of USC's and Lanning seems to be recruiting at a higher level than Cristobal. He hired some recruiting assassins in Tosh Lupoi and Adrian Klemm.
Also, Lanning pulled three DL transfers when the DL group already had the top 3/5 interior DL in the league. USC went and got more DBs and receivers and got C rated DLs when they are gutted there.
This post was edited on 6/10/22 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 6/10/22 at 5:20 pm to bisonduck
Exactly. Riley is hurting in D recruiting wars thus all these disclosures trying to change dialogue with excuses.
This post was edited on 6/10/22 at 5:21 pm
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