re: Knoxville and East Tennessee were pro Union

There were hundreds of thousands of Unionists all over the South.

If Louisiana had held a fair vote for delegates, LA probably would not have adopted secession at its 1861 convention.

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Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

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The actual quote was, "Damn! Torpedoes! Full speed ahead! F***ity, f***, f***, f***!"

Yep and the soldiers from NOLA who were conscripted by the Confederate Army mutinied at forts Jackson and St Philip; thereby allowing Farragut and the US Navy to sail uncontested to the city. The notion of a united white South only come about later with the Lost Cause myth.

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I think the most pro-Confederate part of east Tennessee was Chattanooga due to it being a critical railroad juncture for the cotton states

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UT's history in particular is very, very, Unionist as was East, TN as a whole. Chattanooga and Kingsport/Sullivan Co. (IDK why) were the two places where confederate sympathies were strongest. East, Tennessee had the first newspaper in the entire United States dedicated SOLELY to the abolition of slavery. Lincoln considered us the freest soil in the US to talk about the abolition of slavery and prioritized freeing E. TN from rebel occupation.

There's a reason Lincoln Memorial University and one of the largest Lincoln Museum's is in East, Tennessee and it isn't due to confederate sympathies.

I'm not saying a Vandy fan can't stand that but maybe a Vandy fan can't stand that.

To the ACC you go, then.

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Yep and the soldiers from NOLA who were conscripted by the Confederate Army mutinied at forts Jackson and St Philip; thereby allowing Farragut and the US Navy to sail uncontested to the city. The notion of a united white South only come about later with the Lost Cause myth.

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This entire conversation is ridiculous. The entire notion that removing "Southern Generals statues or not flying the Stars and Bars is trampling on my history" bit is tired and stupid.

The war was rich planters convincing mostly poor white southerners that fighting for them to be able to sit on their asses was a mater of pride.

The way I see it there are three kinds of people for whom the defense of these monuments makes sense:

1. Actual descendants of these folks, who I don't see much.

2. Grifters. Folks who, like the southern planters, convince southerners that these statues are a matter of personal pride then ask you for hard earned money or political support.

3. Racists like the northern kids who were marching in Charlottesville who have no ties to either the confederacy or these long dead politicians but are all too happy to take up the cause.

America has a rich and complicated past. So does the South. American food is southern food. American Music is southern music. Southern hospitality, southern charm, southern belles. Football is southern (frick what anyone says). We all have slavery and genocide in our genes. Picking as a hill to die on a part of that lineage that couldn't outlast Pokemon Go is just dumb.

The "Mountain Feds" of the Ozarks were one of the more well-known Unionist guerrilla groups in the South, some joined the US Army. Unsurprisingly (since they seceded by the slimmest of margins) Arkansas and Tennessee provided the most Union troops among Confederate states, but every one of them except SCar provided at least a battalion to the US army.

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When Arkansas voters elected on February 18, 1861, to hold a secession convention, forty of the seventy-five delegates sent to argue the issue in Little Rock (Pulaski County) were Unionist in their tendencies, many hailing from Arkansas’s northern and western counties. They elected David Walker of Fayetteville (Washington County), a slave-owning Unionist and former Whig, as the convention chairman, and when the vote on secession was finally held it was defeated thirty-nine to thirty-five.

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Mithridates6: Correct, this article talks about how many non secessionist there were among the 131 delegates that voted. Many parishes were Coperativist (term used) or Unionist vs secessionist. Here is an overview of Unionism in Louisiana. Kind of interesting.


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Without the German immigrants in Saint Louis, that state might have seceded. Same for Louisville and KY

Actually, the citizens of Kentucky voted to secede, but the Kentucky house of representatives betrayed the constituents and the Governor by voting to be neutral.

Our confederate capital was Bowling Green

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White guilt bothering you?

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Loving America ain’t white guilt. God bless the stars and stripes. To hell with the treasonous traitors to this great land.