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Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:02 pm to GRTiger
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:02 pm to GRTiger
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OSU only looked at him because Burrow left. Even using hindsight, why look for a transfer when you have a guy who knows your system for 2 years and can do what Burrow has done this year.
So you turn the kid away if he wants to come? That's just stupid.
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Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:04 pm to John Milner
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Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:04 pm to Mithridates6
Burrow is either the better passer, or LSU has better WRs (or both are at least a bit better than OSUs and it is cumulative).
Fields still has to play the meat of his schedule; Burrow has already done so and come out as a winner.
If I see fields win the game against an offense like Alabama's and the previous week against a defense like Auburn's, then maybe I'd say it is a wash - but at this point, LSU has just played better top-end teams.
If Ohio State does beat LSU, it will be because of the defenses vs the opposing offenses. Not because of some incorrect idea that Fields is better than Burrow.
Fields still has to play the meat of his schedule; Burrow has already done so and come out as a winner.
If I see fields win the game against an offense like Alabama's and the previous week against a defense like Auburn's, then maybe I'd say it is a wash - but at this point, LSU has just played better top-end teams.
If Ohio State does beat LSU, it will be because of the defenses vs the opposing offenses. Not because of some incorrect idea that Fields is better than Burrow.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:06 pm to VABuckeye
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I can tell you’ve never been to the big shithole. It’s anything but loud. They are fricking lunatics though. Every year is “this is the year”. Kind of like Texa
No, but I would like to.... Don't think that Michigan can matchup with OSU though especially offensively where Shane Patterson can't handle elite teams and is mistake prone.... Think it will be 14-21 pts even though it's one of the biggest rivalry games in sports.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:07 pm to chillmonster
Haskins couldn't run, but his numbers were Burrow-esque last season. OSU's defense was not good like it is now, but I think they would've put up more of a fight than ND or Bama
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Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:09 pm to Mithridates6
there is a difference between stats and being a better overall player. I believe burrow is better than fields, but Lawrence is better than both
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:09 pm to Mithridates6
The threat of Fields running is a major reason the OSU RBs have the success they do. The stress a true dual threat QB puts on a defense is hard to quantify.
Worthless argument both guys are balling hard in their respective systems doing what they are asked to do at an extremely high level.
Worthless argument both guys are balling hard in their respective systems doing what they are asked to do at an extremely high level.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:12 pm to Mithridates6
Burrow is GOAT
JF is backup GOAT
JF is backup GOAT
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:14 pm to Flibs
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there is a difference between stats and being a better overall player. I believe burrow is better than fields, but Lawrence is better than both
He is elite.... he sure has downplayed this year though...I think a large part of that though is the quality of the opposition... I think it is boring to him.
As far as the (3) QB's go....Take your pick.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:14 pm to chillmonster
Of course not, but I don't think he picks OSU in that situation, and OSU certainly doesn't feel the same kind of need.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:17 pm to RandySavage
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The threat of Fields running is a major reason the OSU RBs have the success they do. The stress a true dual threat QB puts on a defense is hard to quantify.
Exactly.... He is among the best dual threats I've ever seen.... Maybe the best by the time he is done.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:20 pm to GRTiger
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Of course not, but I don't think he picks OSU in that situation, and OSU certainly doesn't feel the same kind of need.
He would have never gone to OSU, unless, unless, Burrow was unproductive in mop up duty there. But it's a moot point as he wouldn't have been.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:27 pm to Mithridates6
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it honestly wouldn't surprise me much if they get absolutely crushed by Clemson in the first round again
I think you are right. People buy into the media narrative that Clemson hasn't played anyone. And I agree that they haven't played near the schedule of LSU. But, if you look at the offenses they have played and compare it to Ohio State, it is quite unbelievable the disparity between the two.
Clemson is much better than people give them credit for.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:31 pm to Farmer1906
Burrow didn’t transfer until after spring practice, so expecting him to come in and light up things on a new team with a new scheme, coaches, unfamiliar receivers, linemen, is a little much. You could see dramatic improvement over the course of last season. Then with the changes implemented this year to a system he actually was more familiar with from high school and at OSU, plus hard work and brains, you can see a better picture of who he is and what he can do.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:33 pm to BuckeyeATC87
I’ve said the same thing. A good defense is evident regardless of competition. There’s certain things that are just evident. Players being in the right place at the right time and actually making tackles has nothing to do with competition. LSUs defense has struggled as well as the rest of the sec minus Auburn and Georgia against good and bad offenses.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:34 pm to Mithridates6
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JT Barrett beat legit teams like 2016 Michigan and 2017 Penn State. Fields looks great against Rutgers and Maryland and the UGA and OSU people here are ready to anoint him
True I’ll give you that. Barrett, though, was about as inconsistent as you could get in big games. Clemson and Iowa made him look silly. Put it to LSU fans this way- Think Jordan Jefferson vs Bama for the title 8 years ago. That’s how bad he was on those games
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:35 pm to tigerinridgeland
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Burrow didn’t transfer until after spring practice, so expecting him to come in and light up things on a new team with a new scheme, coaches, unfamiliar receivers, linemen, is a little much. You could see dramatic improvement over the course of last season. Then with the changes implemented this year to a system he actually was more familiar with from high school and at OSU, plus hard work and brains, you can see a better picture of who he is and what he can do.
LSU's OL last year was so patchwork, really doubt anyone could've excelled in it, especially when we weren't using a scheme that might compensate for it until late in the season
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:41 pm to Mithridates6
Indeed, most of the season we had a different starting combination on the o-line every game.
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Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:53 pm to Flibs
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there is a difference between stats and being a better overall player. I believe burrow is better than fields, but Lawrence is better than both
Objectively untrue. Lawrence has as good an arm as anyone, is coachable and he's more athletic than Burrow, but he's not yet a smart player.
His throws are almost all one read or jump balls. He gets flustered. He often doesn't handle play breakdowns very well. His receivers bail him out a lot, and he's often inconsistent - especially when faced with adversity. Where Fields may hold the ball a little too long but mostly makes good things happen when plays breakdown and Burrow excels in this situation rarely costing the team yardage, Lawrence will frequently make a bad throw or simply get lost - indecisively holding the ball way too long only to take an unnecessary sack.
The kid has never had to be the driver of the offense, and he's never been the best player on the offense.
Trevor is where he is because of tremendous physical gifts, but he has yet to grow into the kind of QB that puts a team on his back. Just on physical measurables he's a top 5 QB in the country, and his coaches put him in position to be successful even though he's yet to master the mental part of the QB position.
Maybe he has more potential, but at the moment his isn't at all the QB either of the other two are.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:59 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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I think you are right. People buy into the media narrative that Clemson hasn't played anyone. And I agree that they haven't played near the schedule of LSU. But, if you look at the offenses they have played and compare it to Ohio State, it is quite unbelievable the disparity between the two.
Clemson is much better than people give them credit for.
If OSU played Clemson tomorrow Lawrence would take 4+ sacks, throw 3 interceptions, and lead his team to at least a 2 TD loss.
If they played Clemson with a few weeks to prepare, I don't know what will happen. It's still a horrible matchup for Clemson, but I have to believe that staff would have something prepared. Clemson's best chance to win the Natty is to get OSU in RD 1. Problem is I can't see that happening.
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