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re: Is there any rational explanation for Auburn's inability to sustain success?
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:43 am to PEPE
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:43 am to PEPE
I don't think their situation is all that unique. Lots of teams struggle to maintain success consistently. Alabama has really only done it under Bryant and Saban. And the successes of those two coaches at Alabama is probably the biggest reason Auburn hasn't been able to historically sustain their success. 2 of their most successful eras in modern time both came when Bryant nor Saban were at Bama - the Dye era in the late 80's, and the Tuberville era in the early 00's. But even those 2 coaches had some down years.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:44 am to PEPE
Their Auburn, a shite program. Who cares about them.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:49 am to PEPE
They just aren't that kind of program. Auburn likes to fancy themselves as a blueblood. There is one blueblood football team in the SEC. They are a regional team that reminds me of florida state or Va Tech. yes, they can have success but it's never gonna be sustained. It's that old football DNA that the Bama's , Michigans, Ohio States have.
Every time, going back as far as I remember (early 70's) Aubie would have a good season and everybody would say we are here to stay only to go 5-6 the next year.
Every time, going back as far as I remember (early 70's) Aubie would have a good season and everybody would say we are here to stay only to go 5-6 the next year.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:50 am to Rabern57
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It's hard to sustain when you have a large instate school that has been consistently cheating since about that same time start with Stallings. They have been on probation constantly for that entire period followed by the giant ponzi scheme that has been the Saban era. That hurts your instate talent and recruiting and your team goes up and down depending on who the other school is paying next and if you need them.
This answer by one of auburns' best poster is why they are a 4-5 lost team most years. They are so worried about the tide instead of what can they do to improve their team that all their energy is used up.
Look at the contract GusBus(a 4 loss coach) was given. A contract with the highest buy-out in the history of NCAA football because his team beat UGA and UA and Jimmy Sexton told the AU president that his man was taking offers from U of Piggys.
Now they are stuck with an average coach for years to come and Bama is looking at two in a row NC this year.
Their hate for Bama doesn't hurt us. It only takes away from their team.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:53 am to jbritt25
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Good take. Not real sure. I think that's most fans gripe with Gus. The talent is obviously there but the program has been wildly inconsistent under him. National title appearance to 8-4,6-6, back to 8-4, then last years 10-2 run and look destined for 7-5 at best. 7-5 this year is inexcusable
Thing is its just not Gus. It was Bowden, Turbeville, the Chiz and im sure im forgetting others.
Great topic because its so true. Auburn can jump out of nowhere and play for the title and yet be garbage the next year.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:59 am to TouchdownTony
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They just aren't that kind of program. Auburn likes to fancy themselves as a blueblood. There is one blueblood football team in the SEC. They are a regional team that reminds me of florida state or Va Tech. yes, they can have success but it's never gonna be sustained. It's that old football DNA that the Bama's , Michigans, Ohio States have.
Every time, going back as far as I remember (early 70's) Aubie would have a good season and everybody would say we are here to stay only to go 5-6 the next year.
Youve been around since the 70s and youre comparing Auburn to FSU? You need to go back to your CFB book and look again because from the early 80s until the early 2000s their wasnt a team like FSU out there. They sustained success longer and better than any college team ive ever seen including Alabama. They always had a bump in the road somewhere that kept them from getting the hardware like Alabama but the Seminoles were the team for a very very long time
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:59 am to PEPE
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Is there any rational explanation for Auburn's inability to sustain success?
Because our schedule is hard as frick on a yearly basis
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:06 am to HailToTheChiz
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Because our schedule is hard as frick on a yearly basis
Totally respect AU's schedule but that doesn't explain the assured nosedives after the periodic good season. When Auburn goes low, they go LOW.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:25 am to PEPE
Since Dye, we've had a collection of coaches (and their assistants) who seem to be pretty good at talking the talk on the recruiting trail, but walking the walk on Saturdays is an entirely different matter. While each of them has enjoyed a moment of greatness, I don't recall too many people shouting from the rooftops when any of these guys were hired in the first place, so I'm not sure why anyone should be shocked at what they're witnessing now
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:27 am to PEPE
No players have pride that they play for auburn. All their players are essentially mercenaries. This is why they either challenge for a championship, or fall flat on their face.
There is no culture, no backbone to their program because it's a bunch of individuals, not a team.
There is no culture, no backbone to their program because it's a bunch of individuals, not a team.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:30 am to Kilgore Trout
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Interesting. What time span does the list cover, and how did Miami avoid making it? Could you provide a link?
LINK
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 9:31 am
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:07 am to stomp
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Auburn practically has the same roster from last year right? Kerryon Johnson was the biggest lost.
Everyone says Gus’ offense relies on a mobile QB. I think that’s a misnomer. It really relies on a run game.
It’s some key losses on the OL and losing an incredible RB that have led to the drop off we’re seeing.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:12 am to ChoadieMcSmalls
quote:Alabama has 6 as well. In football only, both AU and Bama have the same number of major infractions cases - 5 apiece. Of course 4 of Bama's have come since AU's last one in 1993.
List of schools with major ncaa sanctions:
1. SMU, 10
2. Arizona State, 9
3. Oklahoma, 8
4. Wichita State, 8
5. Auburn, 7
6. Florida State, 7
7. Texas A&M, 7
8. University of California (Berkeley), 7
9. Georgia, 7
10. Memphis, 7
11. Minnesota, 7
12. Wisconsin, 7
13. West Virginia, 7
14. Baylor, 6
15. Kansas State, 6
16. Mississippi State, 6
17. UCLA, 6
18. Cincinnati, 6
19. Illinois, 6
20. Kansas, 6
Funny thing - UGa, TAMU and F$U have as many major infractions as AU but I never hear any of your fanbase call them 'cheaters'. Why is that?
ETA: To address the OP, it's a combination of factors, including being 2nd fiddle in the same state as the GOAT college program (there's no point in trying to deny it now) and an extraordinarily tough schedule year in and year out (we have played, on average, 4 games every year against teams ranked in the top 15 in overall winning percentage - in some years as many as 7) - but most of all, it's because we have always had a tendency to overcompensate our HCs on the basis of one good year.
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 10:25 am
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:36 am to PEPE
Antiquated and out-dated offensive philosophy. Defenses have changed to leaner, faster guys . . . which have taken away the HUNH’s effectiveness.
But this is what Gus does - he wrote a book on it. He ain’t gonna bend or change like most good coaches do if it ain’t working.
Pretty simple really.
But this is what Gus does - he wrote a book on it. He ain’t gonna bend or change like most good coaches do if it ain’t working.
Pretty simple really.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:44 am to Rabern57
Maybe some truth there, but why three (about to be four) consecutive home losses to A&M, a school that you consistently out recruit. We comin for that booty again this year.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:57 am to Herman Frisco
Nailed it.
If the focus was on self improvement the success would build and be so much more consistent. Blaming Alabama and making excuses, along with emotionally reactive contracts for a gimmicky coach will not get 10 win seasons.
If the focus was on self improvement the success would build and be so much more consistent. Blaming Alabama and making excuses, along with emotionally reactive contracts for a gimmicky coach will not get 10 win seasons.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 1:42 pm to KingOfTheWorld
Man- guess "one for the thumb doesn't count"
Posted on 10/16/18 at 2:25 pm to PEPE
The reason is they suck but not as bad as 12ersee.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 2:40 pm to FearlessFreep
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Funny thing - UGa, TAMU and F$U have as many major infractions as AU but I never hear any of your fanbase call them 'cheaters'. Why is that?
TAMU's are all a result of beating texas too much. Any time a team started to beat texas too much they would get smacked... Look at what happened to SMU, OU, or more recently Baylor...
Posted on 10/16/18 at 2:58 pm to PEPE
I think it is mostly the coach and his teams reflecting whatever it is that kills consistency.
It isnt some institutional thing. Pat Dye was very consistent. Dye lost 3,1,4,4,2,1,2,2,3 games between 1982 and 1990. That is remarkably consistent. 9 years of an average of 2 losses per year, never more than 4 or less than 1.
Bowden lost 0,1,4,4,3 in his 5 full seasons. That is pretty consistent as well, about 2.5 losses a year within a tight range.
Tubs was pretty consistent as well. His first 5 years he lost 4 or 5 games each year as he rebuilt from Bowdens total lack of recruiting. To losing about 2 games a year for the next several years.
This rollercoaster shite is a recent thing with Chiz and Gus. Otherwise we have been a pretty consistent program since 1981 when Dye arrived.
It isnt some institutional thing. Pat Dye was very consistent. Dye lost 3,1,4,4,2,1,2,2,3 games between 1982 and 1990. That is remarkably consistent. 9 years of an average of 2 losses per year, never more than 4 or less than 1.
Bowden lost 0,1,4,4,3 in his 5 full seasons. That is pretty consistent as well, about 2.5 losses a year within a tight range.
Tubs was pretty consistent as well. His first 5 years he lost 4 or 5 games each year as he rebuilt from Bowdens total lack of recruiting. To losing about 2 games a year for the next several years.
This rollercoaster shite is a recent thing with Chiz and Gus. Otherwise we have been a pretty consistent program since 1981 when Dye arrived.
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