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re: Is there any rational explanation for Auburn's inability to sustain success?
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:31 pm to Nguyening
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:31 pm to Nguyening
quote:Interesting theory.
TAMU's are all a result of beating texas too much.
I note that TAMU went 10-1 vs Texas from 1984 to 1994, and was on probation twice during that period.
The rest of your history you're 26-68-4 against them, so I'm not sure how that translates to "beating texas too much".
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Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:49 pm to AUTubaHerd
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Everyone says Gus’ offense relies on a mobile QB. I think that’s a misnomer. It really relies on a run game. It’s some key losses on the OL and losing an incredible RB that have led to the drop off we’re seeing.
I agree with this.
Also, Auburn talent at oline and rb position is as low as i can remember.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 3:52 pm to deltaland
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Gus at Auburn is like Houston Nutt
There is something to be said for this.
Nutt was a master of doing ok, bad year, doing ok, then having a great year to get a new contract and cool the heat.
As for Auburn over the history of their program... Alabama squatting on their prime recruiting grounds probably doesn't help matters any.
Ohio, as an example, churns out a lot of football talent each year. But the various smaller schools in that state, while they have good seasons here and there, can't extend that success because they have Ohio State gobbling up most of the best recruits.
To make matters worse any given year there will be 2 or 3 good SEC West teams not named Auburn (sometimes more) they have to play and then there is their Eastern schedule where they draw a very consistent Georgia every year.
As I said before the season started a good Auburn team can easily go 8-4 with this schedule or worse.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 4:17 pm to FearlessFreep
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Interesting theory.
I note that TAMU went 10-1 vs Texas from 1984 to 1994, and was on probation twice during that period.
The rest of your history you're 26-68-4 against them, so I'm not sure how that translates to "beating texas too much"
I won't say that all of them are directly tied to success on the field, or specifically vs texas. Just the ones since the series has been competitive (A&M admits women, drops mandatory enrollment, ncaa scholarship limits)
texas dominated the series from the time WWII started until Vietnam ended. We had been left behind due to university decisions and an unwillingness to keep up with a shift in american culture.
Outside of this span, the series goes from 76-37, to 45-34.
1957, 1977, and 1991 were infractions with Men's basketball. I've included the relevant football results anyway, because despite what sport was sanctioned, I maintain that football was a primary motivating factor of the burnt orange conspiracy.
Texas A&M Major Infractions: 7
1957
*1963-1964*
Texas A&M drops mandatory corps enrollment and admits women.
1966
Last 5 vs texas: 0-5
Last 5 overall record: 13-35
*1967* Gene Stallings wins the SWC and Cotton Bowl
1969
Last 5 vs texas: 1-4
Last 5 overall record: 18-30
*lone win was one of 3 in a 34 year span. The worst stretch in the rivalry, perfectly aligning A&M's worst era and texas' best during the same stretch.
*1973* NCAA introduces scholarship limits
1977
Last 5 vs texas: 2-3
Last 5 overall record: 41-17
*2 wins over texas in a row for the first time since 1910
*2 wins out of 5 years for the first time since 1939
1988
Last 5 vs texas: 5-0
Last 5 overall record: 42-17
1991
Last 5 vs texas: 4-1
last 5 overall: 46-16
1994
Last 5 vs texas: 4-1
Last 5 overall record: 51-8
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 10/16/18 at 4:33 pm to Rabern57
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Check Bama's records prior to Saban. They went up and down the same way.
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Rabern57
Your posts are starting to grow on me.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 4:53 pm to samson73103
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There isn’t a poster on the board who is more butthurt by Bama’s decade of dominance than you. You just never stop melting.
The DisplacedBuckeye dude is a contender in that category
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:43 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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This rollercoaster shite is a recent thing with Chiz and Gus. Otherwise we have been a pretty consistent program since 1981 when Dye arrived.
Quit living in the past
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:29 pm to tattoo
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Bama has 16 NCs
And out of those 16, how many are legitimate? And not just because bobs backyard BBQ quarterly named you national champions?
Using Bamas "claim" to national championships, Auburn could easily claim 83,93,and 04 as well as 1913.
But Auburn doesn't do that. They claim championships from legitimate titles. The National Champions Foundation recognized Auburn as one of its 1993 national champions you better bet your bottom dollar that would be in Bamas books. The NY Times named Auburn its 1983 national champions. Again, you can bet your life that's one that Bama would add to its so called national championships.
As to the OP:
I don't know man. Such is the life of an Auburn fan. Going back to Dye, the only Auburn coach to ever win 10 games in consecutive seasons, if bowl games counted or they played as many games as they do now, Dye would of had multiple back to back 10 win seasons. Tubs almost got there. He had multiple 10 win seasons followed by 9 wins. Tubs had an enate ability to lose games he had no business losing. Chizik... Well... Chizik really screwed himself and auburn by taking a team recruited for the spread since 08 and tried to force them into a pro style offense. Had he hired a spread OC when Malzahn left, he would of most likely joined Dye on that list. And Malzahn... Well... Gus is going to #ButGus. That's his forte. He is just in over his head. I mean when my 9 year old daughter who doesn't give two shits about football can tell what play is coming before we snap the ball, DCs being paid millions of dollars absolutely can see it.
Maybe after we cut tabs with this high-school offensive guru (LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL) then just maybe we can have someone who can join Dye on that list. Gus sure as hell won't ever do it if he couldn't do it with this team. I mean the OL is hot garbage, but that's no excuse.
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:42 pm to auburn2eugene
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:45 pm to auburn2eugene
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And out of those 16, how many are legitimate? And not just because bobs backyard BBQ quarterly named you national champions?
Using Bamas "claim" to national championships, Auburn could easily claim 83,93,and 04 as well as 1913.
No you couldn't. With the embarrassing exception of 1941, Alabama only claims AP and Coaches Poll Titles once those polls were established.
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The National Champions Foundation recognized Auburn as one of its 1993 national champions you better bet your bottom dollar that would be in Bamas books. The NY Times named Auburn its 1983 national champions.
No, if we counted titles like that we'd add 1966 and a host of others and have the 22 or whatever it is the "NCAA" officially recognizes.
- Alabama has more AP titles than anyone
- Alabama has more Coaches titles than anyone
- Alabama has more BCS titles than anyone
- Alabama has more Playoff titles than anyone
Pick whatever counting method you want.
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 10:48 pm
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