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re: Is Saban good for the SEC?
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:23 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:23 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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They didn't get pissed cause Mullen lost 8 straight to Alabama. They invested in him because they liked the way he ran the program. Because of that, after giving him time, they are 28-14 overall, 14-11 in the SEC over the last 4 years and have gone to 7 (soon to be 8) straight bowls. Instead of saying "BUT IT OUGHTA BE 20-5 AND WE SHOULDA WON THE WEST SOME AND BEAT BAMMER", they decided he was running a very good program and every 3-4 years they'd have very good teams capable of making a run.
frick ya, back on the Bert train
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Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:24 pm to Run DMC
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but does his ability to basically cherry pick the best players from other states with SEC schools hurt the overall play of the conference?
Point being, no other school has had any real and sustained success since Saban got Alabama rolling again.
You wonder why....at least from LSU's perspective and recruiting, You really can't say that Alabama gets substantially more people into the NFL than they do because they don't, it is essentially even. I could go all conspiratorial and say that Bama pays for the recruits, and whereas they may have been the case in 2007, 2008 and 2009, it's not the case today.
I would say that Alabama is the outlier and exception to the rule. If it continues long term, I don't think it will be good.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:26 pm to 12
It's not that Saban is that great of a coach it's the SEC office located in Birmingham. Thus the Refs are bought and paid for, along with the Commish and the REC pays players cash and Dodge Chargers. It's a YUGE advantage! Surely I missed something there but you get the gist.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:27 pm to KiwiHead
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If it continues long term, I don't think it will be good.
You do not get better playing lesser competition and a conference does not get better when there is parity or equality. Someone has to lead the pack and give someone else something to chase or eventually the conference will fall as a result of the lack of effort.
So, quit making stupid arse hires for HC...
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:36 pm to Tuscaloosa
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And again, that's on y'all, not us or Saban.
It is on us, but I wonder, what is it that Saban does that gets the recruits to chose him. It's not the prospect of the NFL because from a reality check, there are just as many LSU players in the NFL as there are Alabama players.
The chance to win National Championships? Maybe, but the 5 star recruit knows he has a better an average chance of making any team's roster and being a difference maker.
I'm betting the difference is the ancillary services provided by Alabama.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:38 pm to KiwiHead
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It's not the prospect of the NFL because from a reality check, there are just as many LSU players in the NFL as there are Alabama players. The chance to win National Championships? Maybe, but the 5 star recruit knows he has a better an average chance of making any team's roster and being a difference maker.
Hard to offer the proven results both on the field in college AND the payout in the NFL draft that Saban does.
There are few other places and/or coaches that can offer that.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:41 pm to Run DMC
Saban is okay for the sec but the cheating is killing it.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:43 pm to KiwiHead
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there are just as many LSU players in the NFL as there are Alabama players.
And just think, y'all fired the head coach that helped get them there.
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ancillary services provided by Alabama.
Please expound.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:46 pm to Run DMC
Are MOAR of these threads good for this board?
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:48 pm to KiwiHead
quote:That's quite possible - every program provides some kind of perks, don't they?
It is on us, but I wonder, what is it that Saban does that gets the recruits to chose him. It's not the prospect of the NFL because from a reality check, there are just as many LSU players in the NFL as there are Alabama players.
The chance to win National Championships? Maybe, but the 5 star recruit knows he has a better an average chance of making any team's roster and being a difference maker.
I'm betting the difference is the ancillary services provided by Alabama.
I wonder if 4-5* athletes care about a virtual guarantee that they'll receive quality coaching, training and development if they choose UA?
Do the parents of these studs care about top shelf facilities, equipment, training staff and a coaching staff full of men with HC & NFL experience?
Do the parents and recruits care about stability in the coaching staff and their ability to consistently field a championship level team damn near every year?
If LSU & Bama are equal on getting players to the next level in the pro's then there's got to be a reason why Bama puts a better product on the field, right?
I mean Saban can only sign 25 players a year, just like the rest of the conference.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:52 pm to Run DMC
21-0 still paying dividends after all these years 
Posted on 9/18/17 at 1:17 pm to KiwiHead
quote:You're right. No logical reason for a top recruit wanting to play for a program like Alabama or a coach like Saban. Must be Dodge Chargers.
I'm betting the difference is the ancillary services provided by Alabama.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 1:19 pm to Run DMC
I truly believe Auburn would not have won the National Championships in 2010 without Saban.
So yes, he is great for the SEC
So yes, he is great for the SEC
Posted on 9/18/17 at 1:29 pm to KiwiHead
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It is on us, but I wonder, what is it that Saban does that gets the recruits to chose him. It's not the prospect of the NFL because from a reality check, there are just as many LSU players in the NFL as there are Alabama players.
The chance to win National Championships? Maybe, but the 5 star recruit knows he has a better an average chance of making any team's roster and being a difference maker.
Gee, I dunno. It might be because Bama has produced more first round draft picks than anyone else in the SEC by a significant margin, and every single recruit that has signed with Alabama and stayed for 4 years has won at least one championship.
So why not get to the NFL and win a bunch of championships on the way? Bama is the only school in the SEC that can offer that opportunity.
Since the 2010 NFL Draft, Bama has produced 11 more NFL Draft picks, and 12 more first round picks than LSU.
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:08 pm to RT1941
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That's quite possible - every program provides some kind of perks, don't they?
Some more than others...below market rents to families of players is just the beginning. Gifts to girlfriends as well.Still want to know who the guy is that is offering 5 star recruits 650K to play for a particular school
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I wonder if 4-5* athletes care about a virtual guarantee that they'll receive quality coaching, training and development if they choose UA?
From a next level ready standpoint LSU does the same job. Does not matter the number of first round picks , it maters how many players are playing on Sunday. Hey, Trent Richardson was a first round pick....what's he doing today? Meanwhile Kwon Alexander was UDFA and is starting.
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Do the parents of these studs care about top shelf facilities, equipment, training staff and a coaching staff full of men with HC & NFL experience?
No, not to the level you think...maybe stability of coaching staff. But until Saban hired Kiffin, he did not have that kind of coaching talent either. McIlwain was never a head coach nor was Kirby Smart. I can tell you the parents of most of the recruits don't care all that much about the things you think they do.
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Do the parents and recruits care about stability in the coaching staff and their ability to consistently field a championship level team damn near every year?
The kids- definitely. The parents....not so much
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f LSU & Bama are equal on getting players to the next level in the pro's then there's got to be a reason why Bama puts a better product on the field, right?
Yep....it is not what you think and it's not something underhanded either. Saban is a coaching savant, he sees things others do not. He also understands people pretty good and knows what motivates them on an individual level and it's not championships per se or the prospect of the NFL. If it were only that, he would get a whole bunch of 3 year guys( RS Soph or Jr) going to the NFL...he does not, he gets them to stay for 4 years and even 5.
I'm not an anti Saban LSU person or anti UA person..well maybe I'm an anti UA fan person.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:09 pm to Run DMC
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There is NO question he is by far the best coach in all of college football, and great for Alabama, but does his ability to basically cherry pick the best players from other states with SEC schools hurt the overall play of the conference?
Point being, no other school has had any real and sustained success since Saban got Alabama rolling again.
Don't know where this mentality comes from... PLENTY of players on his wish list that do not commit to Bama... He gets his fair share and coaches them up to perform at an extremely HIGH level.. I can name several other teams that have as much talent as Bama.. Saban coaches them up better than most and demands NOTHING but excellence and accountablity..
But to answer your question, hell yeah he is good for the SEC.. Anyone wanting him gone sound like a bunch of whiny bitches..
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:11 pm to Run DMC
Good for Bama, bad for everyone else.
So, I guess the answer is no, but not his fault.
So, I guess the answer is no, but not his fault.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:55 pm to Run DMC
I don't know what's more embarrassing the MSU loss or a LSU fan questioning if Saban is good for the SEC. Saban is good for the conference it's up to the rest of us to close the gap. Quit being a pussy and just admitt we have our work cut out for us to return to the top.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 3:15 pm to KiwiHead
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Does not matter the number of first round picks , it maters how many players are playing on Sunday. Hey, Trent Richardson was a first round pick....what's he doing today?
I would guess Trent Richardson is just sitting around counting how much more money he made than an UDFA
Posted on 9/18/17 at 3:17 pm to Rabern57
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Rabern57
I wondered when you were gonna contribute your 2 cents to this thread and prove yet again, that you are the worst poster on this board. Now go crawl back under your rock.
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