northshorebamaman
| Favorite team: | US Army  |
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| Registered on: | 7/2/2009 |
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re: President Trump says he would like to be the next Pope
Posted by northshorebamaman on 4/30/25 at 3:07 am
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One last thing before you go to bed, what are the odds I created my Avatar 1 month before the Pope died and I also included a circle of energy and enlightenment above my head before I proclaimed I would love to be the Pope exactly 1 month later?
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re: President Trump says he would like to be the next Pope
Posted by northshorebamaman on 4/30/25 at 2:34 am
quote:In the timeline we're in, I wouldn't be surprised if you were Trump. And that's not meant as an insult, or even specifically towards either one of you. Insert any other two people, :lol:
He must have seen my Avatar
It just feels like reality took a left turn at some point around 9/11.
Also, realized my edible kicked in, and it's bedtime. :lol:
re: Tariffs not bringing in what trump said they would….
Posted by northshorebamaman on 4/30/25 at 1:27 am
quote:Do we want every manufacturing industry back in the US? Textiles, cheap plastics, etc...?
Less of the product gets sold and factories move to a place with less tariffs ie the American Midwest
That’s the whole point retard.
Guarantee you are a boomer who is completely ignorant about automation.
And sure, you can introduce automation to the argument, but there goes 'bringing those job's back to America', which is another oft-used argument in support of tariffs. This is an example of conflicting concepts that are regularly argued concurrently, often in the same paragraph.
re: Tariffs not bringing in what trump said they would….
Posted by northshorebamaman on 4/30/25 at 1:14 am
quote:Cool. I hadn't seen you make the argument myself, and didn't want to assume.
I’ve said from day one they’re being used as leverage which will help the consumer.
So, it sounds like what you're saying is the tariffs are performative, meant to
cause the opponent to blink first, rather than achieve balanced trade?
Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding. I don't want to misconstrue you or inadvertently strawman you. I'm genuinely trying to understand the handful of common arguments in support of the trade war and how it's possible to fit them together.
Yours seems to be 'it's a bluff' which is a legitimate strategy and I'm not shitting on it, just making sure that's what you're saying. :cheers:
re: Tariffs not bringing in what trump said they would….
Posted by northshorebamaman on 4/30/25 at 12:52 am
Moment, I haven't seen you make the balanced trade argument, but if you do believe that it's a desirable goal, could you explain how it's possible for the richest economy in the world to achieve parity with everyone else, most being orders of magnitude less wealthy?
re: Tariffs not bringing in what trump said they would….
Posted by northshorebamaman on 4/30/25 at 12:36 am
quote:I don't understand how this very basic concept is so hard to understand.
As we currently run a trade deficit with them applying tariffs to their imports hurts us more than it helps us.
Probably because of all the intentional obfuscation of how tariffs work the past few years.
re: Tariffs not bringing in what trump said they would….
Posted by northshorebamaman on 4/30/25 at 12:23 am
quote:Don't construct what I'm "basically saying", as you've been wrong every time. Respond to what I actually said. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt on your willingness to argue in good faith, and that ain't it.
False dichotomy. You're basically saying the only way they can survive is for them to maintain a stupidly unfair trade imbalance.
What I said is that a trade imbalance with a poor country like Indonesia is due to us having lots of money to spend and them having very little. When Indonesia drops the tariffs on our goods, do you foresee the increased revenue from our minuscule exports to Indonesia resulting in a fatter wallet for the average American, after their loss of access to cheap goods?
Especially considering that those cheap goods are only possible because of dismal wages and state subsidies (which is their government paying their own industries just so they can sell us cheaper shite, essentially paying some of you own cost to buy it)?
re: Tariffs not bringing in what trump said they would….
Posted by northshorebamaman on 4/30/25 at 12:06 am
quote:Addressed in the post you responded to:
Why are you people acting like these countries are static and not capable of adjusting? Ever heard of Japan?
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. It would indicate that the citizens of both countries have equal purchasing power, which, unless you're expecting the Indonesian economy to expand to equal ours anytime soon, is hardly a good thing.
Are you actually expecting their economy to rival ours in your lifetime? :lol:
re: Tariffs not bringing in what trump said they would….
Posted by northshorebamaman on 4/30/25 at 12:02 am
quote:No. I'm saying that in order to achieve balanced trade, which was one of several conflicting goals in the post I responded to, with a country like Indonesia, we'll have to 1. Either match their exports with our own, or 2. decrease our imports from them.
You're implying that if the US repatriates business, that we will be relying on exports.
Indonesia primarily supplies us with cheap, low cost goods from low paying industries no one, not even Trump is clamoring to return to the US, like dyes and cheap textiles. The per capita income is under 5k a year. We have a trade surplus because we have more money to buy from them than they have to buy from us. That's a good thing.
re: Tariffs not bringing in what trump said they would….
Posted by northshorebamaman on 4/29/25 at 11:51 pm
quote:Because deficit has a negative connotation. I have asked for an example on how 'balanced trade' is possible with a country with like Indonesia that we purchase things from, because they are able to produce at a lower price, due, in part, to lower wages for their workers, specialization in manufacturing cheap shite, and state subsidies. They don't, even now, have the money to buy our exports at any scale in the first place.
What is a trade deficit and how is being in a surplus a good economic sign?
Balanced trade with Indonesia would not be a great sign. It would indicate that the citizens of both countries have equal purchasing power, which, unless you're expecting the Indonesian economy to expand to equal ours anytime soon, is hardly a good thing.
re: Tariffs not bringing in what trump said they would….
Posted by northshorebamaman on 4/29/25 at 11:33 pm
quote:Yeah. It's unfortunate that pointing out a lot of this simply does not work mathematically as it is seen as partisan here. We should be able to point out when the emperor wears no clothes.
That's one of the factors that no one is thinking about. If we repatriate the manufacturing here it makes our exports less competitive. Particularly with tariffs applied.
re: Tariffs not bringing in what trump said they would….
Posted by northshorebamaman on 4/29/25 at 11:25 pm
quote:So, the plan is to make imports more expensive, thus drawing manufacturing back to the US, enabling improved wages for American jobs; and then we will turn around and export our products back to those countries, in order to pursue a 'balanced' deficit (many of which whom don't have a citizenry that can buy most of these products at their current prices), at an even steeper price capable of sustaining our higher wages, while also absorbing their export sector?
Time value of currency/money. We are the worlds consumer and plan to do it with a trade surplus of currency/money while building back our made in America manufacturing.
re: Saw something strange in the sky tonight..
Posted by northshorebamaman on 4/29/25 at 10:56 pm
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Southern Cross
you sure?
re: Saw something strange in the sky tonight..
Posted by northshorebamaman on 4/29/25 at 10:51 pm
quote:aren't they Mexican?
Yo, does anyone else think aliens eat nachos also?
re: Saw something strange in the sky tonight..
Posted by northshorebamaman on 4/29/25 at 10:35 pm
Space x launch a few months ago. First pic was the first time I'd seen one. I walked out of Safeway and almost shite myself. :lol:
re: Saw something strange in the sky tonight..
Posted by northshorebamaman on 4/29/25 at 10:20 pm
quote::cheers: mystery solved
A Starlink satellite "train" refers to a string of bright lights moving across the night sky, which are actually Starlink satellites launched by SpaceX. These satellites are often seen closely grouped together shortly after launch, forming a visible "train" before dispersing to their operational orbits.
re: Saw something strange in the sky tonight..
Posted by northshorebamaman on 4/29/25 at 10:19 pm
Clicked on this because I've seen strange lights twice in the past two weeks and it sounds like the exact same thing. A vertical line of 12-15 lights that appeared on the horizon, headed straight up, before quickly disappearing. Except I'm in AZ, and the lights came from the west, in the general direction of Vandenberg AFB, where I was guessing it was coming from. I can see the rockets when they take off from there at night, and they light up and streak across the whole sky and look like huge comets. This wasn't that.
re: Why America was founded as a Christian nation
Posted by northshorebamaman on 4/29/25 at 9:02 pm
quote:And most places they left had some form of Christianity as the official state religion. Which they fled because they faced harassment for or even outright bans and punishments for practicing their own Christian beliefs.
Many of the original settlers left Europe for Religious Freedom.
Could be a lesson in there.
re: Why America was founded as a Christian nation
Posted by northshorebamaman on 4/29/25 at 8:55 pm
quote:Religious wars are usually fought for the same reasons as other wars, power and wealth, for the few at the top pulling the strings. What makes them so insidious, is that the common soldiers often believe in the official line wholeheartedly. Leading to multi-generational, or even multi-century long blood feuds, that they'll proudly sacrifice themselves, their children, and anyone else they're told to.
Religious wars are very stupid wars. Nothing gets accomplished with them. Probably the stupidest of all wars
re: Biker Gangs
Posted by northshorebamaman on 4/29/25 at 8:30 pm
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In my high school class of 128, 3 ended up being cops. All three were playing with army men still at the age of at least 16, and drawing war scenes with ships and planes pew pewing each other, as well infantry doing the same thing, while in class. One of the three I put freshly caught minnows from the drainage ditch (someone else caught them and someone else pointed out then pulled his brown paper bag from his cubby hole "locker") at school on his two bologna sandwiches in 8th grade. The entire school knew about it but him when it came to for lunch. Everyone was staring at him when he walked in with his brown paper bag. It was after he was halfway through the second sandwich that he noticed half minnow dangling off of a piece of lettuce. By the end of the school year he had figured out it was me and never did anything about it.
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