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Well, truth be told, in a way I’m grateful WWI happened for a simple, and wholly selfish reason…

No WWI, no WWII

No WWII, my grandmother doesn’t meet my grandfather
(They met at a dance for soldiers about to ship off to the war)

No meeting of my grandparents, I never exist.
I think we have discussed this exact point before, because my paternal grandparents met the same way. Change the war and they almost certainly never meet, which means I never exist.

No World War I gives us an altogether different world. World War I created the conditions for World War II. World War II created the Cold War order, which produced Vietnam, the Soviet-Afghan War and many of the forces that eventually converged in 9/11. That led directly to Afghanistan and Iraq and helped shape the political world we still get fricked by to this very day. And besides that, billions of individual marriages, migrations, births and deaths like the ones that produced you and me, our parents, children, and siblings.

For sheer downstream influence on human events, Gavrilo Princip is on an extremely short list alongside guys with names like Jesus. He fired two shots in an alley in Sarajevo and the shockwave is still expanding and reverberating more than a century later.
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Agreed. And the same could be said of Great Britain. If they’d have stayed out, the war would most likely have been over before Christmas 1914 and Europe would have been spared the horrors of the Great War and everything that was to follow:

Collapse of the empires
Rise of communism
WWII

Tens of millions of deaths and unmeasurable misery of hundreds of millions more could have been avoided.
I basically agree, and I have made some of these same arguments myself. But the more alternate-history theories I encounter, particularly about the world wars, the less confidence I have in sweeping conclusions like this. World War I is the ultimate example: an event so enormous, disruptive and consequential that it directly shaped nearly every aspect of human history afterward, from borders, governments and ideologies to technology, medicine, demographics and even the natural environment.

You can examine a particular decision and speculate reasonably about its immediate consequences. But once you begin claiming that Britain remaining neutral means the war ends by Christmas, the empires survive, communism never rises, World War II never occurs and tens of millions of people live, we have left historical analysis and entered fiction.

And if forced to make predictions I would make most of the same ones you have.

But removing an event of that scale does not leave us with the same world minus its worst consequences. It sets trillions of butterfly wings in motion across every country, institution, family, invention, birth and death for the next century. Nobody can trace those branches with any useful confidence.

Trying to predict the modern world without World War I is like trying to predict who would have won the Heisman in 1990 if a meteor had not wiped out the dinosaurs.

It probably wouldn't be Ty fricking Detmer but beyond that who knows?
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We didn’t join WWII to save the Jews like a lot of people think.


I have never in my life encountered this belief. :lol:
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That wouldn't work on me, but I bet it works on a whole bunch.
It isn’t going to persuade anyone to reenlist by itself, and it isn’t supposed to. It’s like going to your bank’s website, clicking the membership-benefits page, and discovering that you get 5 percent off at Honey Baked Ham. That is a mildly nice perk if you’re already buying Easter dinner, but nobody chose the bank because of it.

The reenlistment decision is driven by the bonus, duty station, retraining, and other substantive incentives. The four-day pass is just the Honey Baked Ham coupon.
I live in a tourist destination packed with people and endless ways to waste money, so my vacation from it consisted of spending $500 on a cabin deep in the woods where I could sit by myself for a few days. It cost maybe $10 in gas to get there. I don’t count food as part of the vacation budget because I would have had to buy it at home anyway.

So maybe $520.

Kids are grown.

Wife done r-u-n-n-o-f-t.

frick yeah.
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And a new counselor had a brainstorm with Army brass and now GAMING is a 4 day pass just to get enlisted quotas met? GMAFB. If a kid signed up for this pass, he should be on a short list to process.
Jesus Christ, no one is reenlisting just to get a four-day pass. The CO simply thought this was a cool, fun way to spotlight his retention NCO’s work. The offer is basically, “If you reenlist, then on top of the real incentives available to you, such as cash, choice of duty station, job retraining, or a school option that lets you attend college for a semester, I’ll throw in a four-day pass timed with the GTA 6 release.”

Predictably, people who have no idea how Army reenlistment works stripped away all that context so they could pretend soldiers are being asked to extend their service for several years in exchange for one long weekend. Some of you are so committed to being miserable that even a commander giving soldiers an extra perk becomes something to shite on.
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The answer for me would have been bonuses

A certain amount of money would have gotten me to reenlist
Sure, and cash bonuses are already available Army-wide. This battalion commander has no control over them because those incentives are established at the Department of the Army level. The four-day pass is not being offered instead of a bonus. It is simply a local commander throwing in an extra perk on top of whatever reenlistment incentives the soldier already qualifies for.
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What on God's green earth are we doing anymore.
This looks like a much bigger deal than it is, and it doubtless only got coverage because the commander tied it to GTA 6. When soldiers reenlist, it is common for the local command to throw in a few three- or four-day passes. As the article itself explains, those are not the primary reenlistment benefits.

When I reenlisted in 2001, I received four four-day passes, three three-day passes, and various pieces of promotional Army swag, like a backpack and jacket.

But, more importantly, I got to choose my next duty station, Germany, and received a $40,000 cash bonus. My command even flew me to Kuwait so I could reenlist in a tax-free zone, making the bonus tax-free.

This is just one battalion commander getting creative with a routine local incentive.
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The founding fathers didn't choose Democracy. The United States is not a Democracy!
They didn't? Alexander Hamilton didn't explicitly call the proposed government “a representative democracy?” James Wilson never called it “purely democratical” in principle? James Madison didn't call it a “democratic form of government,” and Jefferson never wrote Americans were “constitutionally and conscientiously democratic?”

Democracy: a system of government in which political authority derives from the people and is exercised either directly or through elected representatives.

How is the United States not one? I assume you’re going with the usual “muh constitutional republic” routine, which is like insisting that you don’t own a Labrador, you own a dog. “Constitutional,” “republic,” and “democracy” are not antonyms. They describe different characteristics of the same government.

“Constitutional” means the government operates under a constitution that establishes its institutions, distributes their powers, limits what they may do, and protects certain rights from ordinary political majorities.

“Republic” means the country is a public political entity rather than the personal possession of a monarch. Public offices are filled under law rather than inherited through a royal bloodline.

“Democracy” describes where legitimate political authority originates: the people. Citizens choose the officials who govern them and can remove those officials through elections.

“Representative” explains how our democracy functions. We generally do not vote directly on every law or policy. We elect representatives to make those decisions for us. That makes the United States a representative democracy, not a direct democracy. Direct democracy is one form of democracy, not the definition of democracy itself.

“Federal” describes how power is divided between the national government and the states. That also does not contradict democracy or republican government.

So the United States is simultaneously constitutional, federal, republican, representative, and democratic. Those classifications answer different questions about limits on power, distribution of power, institutional structure, and the source of political legitimacy.

I challenge you to explain how the United States is not a democracy without defining “democracy” exclusively as direct democracy, which we are not and which no serious definition treats as its only form.

Honestly, I suspect much of this recent talking point comes from idiots making a childish word association: “republic” sounds like Republican, so it must be good, while “democracy” sounds like Democrat, so it must be bad. Political party names are not definitions of systems of government. You do not become more loyal to the Constitution by pretending one of its foundational principles belongs to the opposing party.

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This is illustrative of the error Trump made at the beginning of the Iran war. He chose not to build a coalition but instead go at it on his own with his Robin (Israel) in tow. When he got both arms and a leg stuck in the tar baby that is Iran he started asking for help. Of course, all our allies jumped at the chance to get in on some of that sweet tar baby action as well... not. Build coalitions before you are in the shite; geopolitical war-fighting 101.

SK and Japan are two of our most important allies in Asia, ones we will need if hostilities ever break out with China. Sucking up to the NORKs and spitting in the face of the SKs is just plain stupid. We need joint military exercises with our allies, it is crucial. Getting rid of them is beyond stupid.
Completely agree. Build the coalition before you start the war, dummy. Don't let Israel talk you into one, get bogged down, start calling allies demanding they climb into the hole with you to help dig and then retaliate when they decline.

More importantly, our forces in South Korea and Japan are not some charitable shield we provide out of the goodness of our hearts. Those alliances give us permission to keep 90,000 American troops, along with airfields, ports and logistics, forward deployed in China’s backyard. We.ve spent goddamn generations of diplomacy, money, political and actual American blood securing it because it enormously benefits us.

And contrary to MAGA cope, these are not helpless client states begging us to occupy their territory and therefore obligated to follow us into every optional war our president gets talked into. Their governments expend their own political capital just allowing us to remain there.

Publicly humiliating Seoul, punishing it for refusing to join Trump’s retarded own-goal Iran war, and rewarding Kim Jong Un by degrading the exercises is strategic vandalism bordering on treasonous betrayal of American power in Asia. China spent billions trying to weaken our position there, and here comes Trump doing it for free.

South Korea occupies irreplaceable strategic ground beside China, Russia and North Korea, fields roughly half a million active-duty troops backed by millions of reservists, and possesses a sophisticated and robust military and defense industry. We have spent more than 70 years building the command structure, logistics, intelligence sharing and operational familiarity that allow our forces to fight together.

Now we're going to toss that accumulated power, access and trust into the trashcan so one senile old narcissist can nurse his grudges, grift without shame and turn the presidency into a family business.



Roll a joint using only his left hand (he was right-handed) while driving through city traffic. I'm not condoning it but I have to admit it was impressive.
That's my high school. :lol:

We didn't have this course in the 90's but we did have a class called California Experience where we went to the beach every week.

Sounds a lot less fun now.
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Most restaurants (especially breakfast ones) are serving pre-made or reheated junk.
It depends on the restaurant and what you mean by “pre-made.” Yes, plenty of chains like Applebee’s serve mostly factory-prepared food that is reheated or finished on-site. Since chains probably outsell independent restaurants by sheer volume, you are likely correct in a strict mathematical sense, although some chains still operate scratch kitchens.

But ordinary prep is not the same thing as serving reheated junk. Good independent kitchens prepare food in advance because service would be impossible otherwise. Salmon is portioned and marinated, trout is portioned and breaded, burger patties are pressed, garlic is chopped, sauces are made, pastas are boiled, and vegetables are broken down and blanched before the doors open. That isn’t cutting corners, it’s just the work required to serve freshly cooked food in fifteen minutes instead of making you wait two hours for soup and a sandwich.

There is still plenty of real cooking going on in restaurants. You just have to get out of the major chains to eat most of it.
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It seems our military isn’t immune to brainwashing
I was explicitly told by my drill sergeant that this was half the point of basic training. :lol:
Your premise falls apart immediately because you’re treating the modern West Coast as though it were a genetically isolated population descended almost entirely from Oregon Trail pioneers. It isn’t.

California and the Pacific Northwest have been transformed repeatedly by domestic migration and immigration. Especially after the 1960s, they attracted millions of transplants, particularly counterculture, while California also developed enormous Latino and Asian populations. Seattle, Portland, San Francisco and Los Angeles are not collections of pioneer descendants who somehow lost the family “striving gene.”

That is also what posters here miss when they complain about Californians moving elsewhere and “bringing their politics with them.” A huge percentage of those Californians were never from California in the first place. They moved there from Texas, Ohio, Alabama or wherever, stayed for a few years, and then returned home or moved somewhere cheaper.

So chances are those California “freaks” supposedly invading your state are just your freaks returning home, or another state’s freaks making their next stop. I’m a sixth-generation Californian. My four-times-great-grandmother pulled a handcart across the plains with an infant after her husband died only a week into the journey, so I can claim as much pioneer stock as anyone. Having watched entire communities of native-born Californians get priced out while the people replacing them enacted one crazy policy after another, I say good riddance. Keep them this time. We don’t want them back.
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I find it’s almost always easier to say what you mean and be direct.
That sounds exhausting. I’ve found obfuscation and lying to be quite a bit easier.
It was even worse than that. In 2004, 2ID, 2nd Brigade was already in Korea, where its soldiers were serving 12-month unaccompanied tours. Many were near DEROS when the Army hit them with stop-loss and stop-move orders and sent them directly from Korea to Ramadi and Fallujah for another year.

These were soldiers who had already spent a year separated from their families, only to be involuntarily held past their rotation dates and sent straight from one forward-deployed area into combat in another.

Soldiers went more than two years before reuniting with their families. I knew one guy that went three. His son was just starting to walk when he left and getting ready for kindergarten when he finally came home.


In short, some guys left home expecting a one-year Korea tour and, just as it was supposed to end, got stop-lossed into a full year of combat in Iraq.
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If you have enough authority to bomb them at all, you have enough to obliterate them til they squeal.
Name one. Just one single war in which airpower alone forced a regime from power. No invading army, no indigenous ground force capturing territory, no coup. Just bombing them until the government fell.

Name a single one.
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For me, Machine Head by Bush. I doubt many will agree, but I have always loved that song.
I don’t really have anything against Bush now, but my main memory of them is sailing that CD right out the fricking window and off a bridge at 70 mph coming home from my girlfriend's house after spending a week with her playing “Glycerine” on endless repeat. I finally confessed to her last year what happened to her CD.
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I don't think I ever got to see them straight up (I honestly can't remember), but I did see Gibby Haynes sing Jesus Built My Hotrod at a Ministry show.
I saw them open for Nirvana. They had a movie screen on stage that just showed disgusting shite like animals being butchered and close-ups of insects. I was 14 and only sort of knew who they were at the time but appreciated how bad they freaked out all the "cool" parents that brought their kids to Nirvana.
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It doesn't matter. I've never, at any point, had space in my life to elevate any person that would be associated with shite like that.
You talk like a fig and your shite's all retarded. :lol: