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re: Is an Auburn move to the SEC East imminent?
Posted on 4/30/19 at 10:30 am to coachcrisp
Posted on 4/30/19 at 10:30 am to coachcrisp
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put the conference at a disadvantage against the other conferences.
I see your point, but I'm not certain I agree.
First, it improves fan experience and likely increases the # of butts in seats and how long they stay there, which boosts revenue. Additionally, it would drive more home and homes, which again adds to fan experience but also brand marketing and recruitment in more areas.
Second, playing that schedule with a guarantee of the top 2 SEC teams matching up at the end of the year is almost a certain lock for CFP even if a team dropped 1-2 games along the way. The SEC CG would be the defacto play in game every year, and avoid wasted effort in many of the mismatched SEC CGs in recent years. Yes, it would make getting 2 teams in he CFP more difficult, but, honestly, that may be good for the current system, as well.
This post was edited on 4/30/19 at 10:36 am
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Posted on 4/30/19 at 10:37 am to boXerrumble
How about recent history, For instance Since 2002:
LSU 10
Florida 7
compared to
Georgia 13
Auburn 5
Regardless of how Auburn is now the perma bitch for LSU, Georgia and Alabama, the SEC needs to get rid of these antiquated early 20th century "rivalries" and move to a rotating schedule where everybody gets to play everybody instead of these protected games and schedules.
LSU 10
Florida 7
compared to
Georgia 13
Auburn 5
Regardless of how Auburn is now the perma bitch for LSU, Georgia and Alabama, the SEC needs to get rid of these antiquated early 20th century "rivalries" and move to a rotating schedule where everybody gets to play everybody instead of these protected games and schedules.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 10:38 am to Che Boludo
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Going to a 9 game conf schedule, ending Divisional play, allowing 2 x permanent rivals, no FCS and a requirement to exhaust all opportunities to schedule a mandatory 2 x power 5 opponents OOC would be a major improvement over the current system. It is ridiculous to go 8+ years without playing a conference opponent in some cases.
With no division champs, it allows the top two SEC records to play in the SEC CG with head to head then the CFP final regular season rankings as the tie breakers.
The 9 game conf schedule, with 2 x permanent rivals, enures each player gets at least one home and one away game vs each SEC team over the course of a 4 yr period.
That change coupled with a P5 scheduling preference req and no option for FCS eliminates 2-3 schit ooc games per yr. And protects all major rivalries
Again, the SEC will never allow it as long as the CFP system remains the same. The Conference Office is not concerned about Season Tickets or OOC bullshite schedules, their main concern is having a system that gives the SEC a chance to have two CFP participants. The Divisional Play is the only way that is going to happen and fewer Conference loses is for the better with the Committee going by the "eye test". If the CFP went only to Conference Champions, then the league would be forced to determine a better Champion and get rid of the shitty non-conference games.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 10:43 am to Lsupimp
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How about recent history, For instance Since 2002:
You mean your arbitrary history and when LSU finally was able to beat Florida? Its funny you removed 10 years from the permanents where you were 1-9 quote:
Regardless of how Auburn is now the perma bitch for LSU, Georgia and Alabama,
Remind me which team has more recently won the West, The SEC, NCG, Auburn or LSU?
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the SEC needs to get rid of these antiquated early 20th century "rivalries" and move to a rotating schedule where everybody gets to play everybody instead of these protected games and schedules.
Sorry you dont have any history with teams...
Posted on 4/30/19 at 10:44 am to Irons Puppet
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Again, the SEC will never allow it as long as the CFP system remains the same.
Its not the SEC, the NCAA wont allow it. need round robin competition for a championship game
Posted on 4/30/19 at 10:51 am to Irons Puppet
quote:I think it likely more true that they prefer to best posture themselves to ensure a single CFP team and max New Years 6 bowl participants and revenues.
their main concern is having a system that gives the SEC a chance to have two CFP participants
The current divisional system does not ensure the 2 best teams are in the SEC CG and sets the conference up to miss altogether should a schit cross-divisional champ get the upset in the CCG.
Removing the anomaly that is the Alabama-Saban mulligan factor in 2011 and "bye week" in 2017, it creates more risk than advantage for the goals I stated, which slightly differ from your stated goals of the conference.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 10:57 am to Draconian Sanctions
The real solution for this is to do what we do in basketball: Have 3 permanent opponents, and rotate the other ten, playing five one year, and five the next. The two teams with the best record meet in the conference championship. It allows you to preserve all the rivalries, while at the same time eliminating the problem of divisional imbalance. Everyone would play every other SEC team home and away in a four year span.
Permanent opponents would be something like this:
Bama: Auburn, State, UT
Arkansas: Mizzou, A&M, LSU
Auburn: Bama UF, UGA
Florida: Auburn, UGA, USC
UGA: USC, UF, Auburn
Kentucky: Mizzou, UT, Vandy
LSU: A&M, Ole Miss, Arkansas
Ole Miss: State, LSU, Vandy
Miss. State: Ole Miss, Bama, USC
Missouri: Arkansas, A&M, UK
South Carolina: UGA, UF, MSU
Tenn: Vandy, UK, Bama
A&M: LSU, Arkansas, Mizzou
Vandy: UK, UT, Ole Miss
Permanent opponents would be something like this:
Bama: Auburn, State, UT
Arkansas: Mizzou, A&M, LSU
Auburn: Bama UF, UGA
Florida: Auburn, UGA, USC
UGA: USC, UF, Auburn
Kentucky: Mizzou, UT, Vandy
LSU: A&M, Ole Miss, Arkansas
Ole Miss: State, LSU, Vandy
Miss. State: Ole Miss, Bama, USC
Missouri: Arkansas, A&M, UK
South Carolina: UGA, UF, MSU
Tenn: Vandy, UK, Bama
A&M: LSU, Arkansas, Mizzou
Vandy: UK, UT, Ole Miss
Posted on 4/30/19 at 11:01 am to twk
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The real solution for this is to do what we do in basketball: Have 3 permanent opponents, and rotate the other ten, playing five one year, and five the next. The two teams with the best record meet in the conference championship. It allows you to preserve all the rivalries, while at the same time eliminating the problem of divisional imbalance. Everyone would play every other SEC team home and away in a four year span.
Permanent opponents would be something like this:
Bama: Auburn, State, UT
Arkansas: Mizzou, A&M, LSU
Auburn: Bama UF, UGA
Florida: Auburn, UGA, USC
UGA: USC, UF, Auburn
Kentucky: Mizzou, UT, Vandy
LSU: A&M, Ole Miss, Arkansas
Ole Miss: State, LSU, Vandy
Miss. State: Ole Miss, Bama, USC
Missouri: Arkansas, A&M, UK
South Carolina: UGA, UF, MSU
Tenn: Vandy, UK, Bama
A&M: LSU, Arkansas, Mizzou
Vandy: UK, UT, Ole Miss
THIS
this is easily the best solution
YES, Tenn gets off easy with perm rivals, but so what?
I mean, you even got the 3 rival games right for everybody
well done sir
Posted on 4/30/19 at 11:08 am to Jacknola
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Good god man...you people are never satisfied... the REC removed Ritter from on-the-field refereeing and exiled him to replay review ... what more do you want?
StopRobot is an Alabama fan, jackass
Posted on 4/30/19 at 11:26 am to Draconian Sanctions
Don't think this would happen. Theres no reason for AU to make this move.
MIzzou might like this, for geographical purposes... but wouldn't get their way over Auburn.
MIzzou might like this, for geographical purposes... but wouldn't get their way over Auburn.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 11:39 am to NYCAuburn
You are being ludicrous. What happened when Curly Hallman and Steve Spurrier coached these teams 20 plus years ago and one was at a historic low point and the other at a high point is hardly relevant to a scheduling discussion in 2019. The FACT is that LSU and UF are basically on equal ground in the two decades of THIS CENTURY. LSU has the advantage but both teams have won two National Championships, both teams and both teams are very relevant in 2019. During that same period of time your cross rival has OWNED you. Not to mention Alabama and LSU.
Regardless of Auburn futility against UGA, these permanent games have outlived their usefulness. Maybe THREE schools out of 14 disagree with that. It's time to modernize the conference and schedule everybody on a rotating basis. The rest of the league could give two fricks about a "permanent" rival in the other division.
Regardless of Auburn futility against UGA, these permanent games have outlived their usefulness. Maybe THREE schools out of 14 disagree with that. It's time to modernize the conference and schedule everybody on a rotating basis. The rest of the league could give two fricks about a "permanent" rival in the other division.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 11:42 am to Draconian Sanctions
I just want to have TN and FL more regularly scheduled instead of Arkansas and MS schools
I don't care East/West if we can add teams that I actually care to watch
I don't care East/West if we can add teams that I actually care to watch
Posted on 4/30/19 at 11:45 am to Che Boludo
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I think it likely more true that they prefer to best posture themselves to ensure a single CFP team and max New Years 6 bowl participants and revenues.
The current divisional system does not ensure the 2 best teams are in the SEC CG and sets the conference up to miss altogether should a schit cross-divisional champ get the upset in the CCG.
Removing the anomaly that is the Alabama-Saban mulligan factor in 2011 and "bye week" in 2017, it creates more risk than advantage for the goals I stated, which slightly differ from your stated goals of the conference.
The position the SEC is in now is almost a guarantee of at least one participant in the CFP. Thank ESPN or the SECN, but the SEC will not be left out of the playoffs. The revenue generated by a NY6 Bowl is minimal in the grand scheme of things. The 8 SEC Games is designed to make the SEC as a product look the best. It is not to make the top teams look better, but the middle of the road teams have better records.
This post was edited on 4/30/19 at 11:47 am
Posted on 4/30/19 at 11:48 am to Draconian Sanctions
They're basically admitting they can't compete in the much more difficult SEC West.
RTR
RTR
Posted on 4/30/19 at 11:52 am to Lsupimp
quote:I posted facts from timelines that go with the argument, you posted non facts and arbitrary timelines to make LSU appear better
You are being ludicrous
quote:So you are allowed to take away the bad for LSU but include it for others. Not that I didnt clearly see thats what you are doing...
What happened when Curly Hallman and Steve Spurrier coached these teams 20 plus years ago and one was at a historic low point and the other at a high point is hardly relevant to a scheduling discussion in 2019.
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THIS CENTURY.
There it is, "football began in 2000". Typical LSU fan
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these permanent games have outlived their usefulness.
Yeah, except the fact that they are some of the more highly watched games
quote:You might want to check out the conference votes on the subject, you would be highly wrong
The rest of the league could give two fricks about a "permanent" rival in the other division.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 11:53 am to 2nd and 26
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They're basically admitting they can't compete in the much more difficult SEC West. RTR
We've competed just fine, fig.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 11:56 am to NYCAuburn
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The rest of the league could give two fricks about a "permanent" rival in the other division.
quote:Is it going to take the SEC AD's/Presidents voting on this shite again for fans to understand what the league really cares about?
You might want to check out the conference votes on the subject, you would be highly wrong
Posted on 4/30/19 at 12:01 pm to NYCAuburn
I can't force you to think bro. If you think the entire SEC should be forced in perpetuity to have shitty scheduling because LSU had a bad decade from 1990-1999 I can't help you.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 12:04 pm to 2nd and 26
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They're basically admitting they can't compete in the much more difficult SEC West. RTR
Three SECW Championships in the last 9 years proves you are FOS. But most posters know that anyway.
Posted on 4/30/19 at 12:19 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:Does Auburn even want to move to the East?
Irons Puppet
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