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re: In Favor Of Scrapping Permanent Cross Division Games?

Posted on 8/16/19 at 10:37 am to
Posted by twk
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jul 2011
2108 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 10:37 am to
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I'd like to see Ole Miss back on our schedule every year.


It could be done, but this grouping would probably be too unbalanced. In the other one, Auburn has an unbalanced trio, but that's because Auburn has been complaining about not playing UF and UT,so I gave them UF. I don't know that Ole Miss would feel the need to have UGA on their schedule, but here's how it could be done:

Bama: Auburn, State, UT
Arkansas: Mizzou, A&M, LSU
Auburn: Bama UF, UGA
Florida: Auburn, UGA, USC
UGA: Ole Miss, UF, Auburn
Kentucky: Mizzou, UT, Vandy
LSU: A&M, Ole Miss, Arkansas
Ole Miss: State, LSU, UGA
Miss. State: Ole Miss, Bama, USC
Missouri: Arkansas, A&M, UK
South Carolina: Vandy, UF, MSU
Tenn: Vandy, UK, Bama
A&M: LSU, Arkansas, Mizzou
Vandy: UK, UT, USC
Posted by Uncle Don
The Big House
Member since Jul 2018
4229 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 10:38 am to
Hell the west needs to be busted up. A team outside the state of Alabama has won it once since 2008.

Maybe Auburn and Alabama need to just play each other for the state championship then play the best of the rest for the SEC Championship
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
25170 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 10:39 am to
The go to a 9 game SEC schedule idea has been beaten to death and I won't go into detail about how that would foul up scheduling again(particularly for those with permanent P5 OOC rivals).

So if we want to play the other division teams more often then dumping the permanent cross division rival is the way to go.

I like playing Missouri every year. Given time the series could bloom into a decent rivalry. I would still give it up to get play more Eastern division teams.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
23843 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 10:42 am to
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There is no other legitimate excuse.


Given the importance of home field advantage in College football, the disadvantage of the unbalanced 5 home 4 away/4 home 5 away schedule for teams in a given year kill it for me.

Now if all teams were "forced" to play 1 conference game at a neutral site, then I'm OK with it.
This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 10:43 am
Posted by twk
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jul 2011
2108 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 10:43 am to
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The go to a 9 game SEC schedule idea has been beaten to death and I won't go into detail about how that would foul up scheduling again(particularly for those with permanent P5 OOC rivals).

So if we want to play the other division teams more often then dumping the permanent cross division rival is the way to go.

I like playing Missouri every year. Given time the series could bloom into a decent rivalry. I would still give it up to get play more Eastern division teams


In my plan, you'd play every school not named A&M, LSU, or Missouri, every other year. Is that often enough? I'm fine with playing the Bama and Miss schools every other year if it means we also get to see UGA, UF, and UT every other year.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37573 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 10:50 am to
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Yeah it is asinine this will be the first time we play A&M since they joined 7 years later we won’t go to College Station until 2024, 12 years later.

I keep reading arguments like this and I wonder how old some of you are?

Prior to the 1992 expansion .... original programs within the conference went years without playing one another.

Nine games, or not, is not the issue. The issue is these interdivisional games .... all of which could be corrected by two simple moves.

Move Auburn to the East and drop the tsio so-called must be played rivalry game which has not been a good game since before some around here knew what football was/is.

BHam is very selective about which old rivalry games they choose to keep intact. That Tennessee game has become a gimme to Bama with no foreseeable change in the future. It could easily turn into a 20 year win streak for Bama and there is just something unwholesome about the thought of that quite honestly. It needs to take a break for the good of the conference.

No other so-called rivalry game has a history of streaks comparable to the Bama vs UTk game. That's indicative of a fabricated rivalry game built around a competitive series history between 1938-1970. But for the past 50 years it has been a boring ho hum game of long streaks, most of it Bama kicking UTk's arse.

(Bama is 33-15 against UTk since 1970)

Bama has run up two streaks of longer than 10 games against UTk TWICE during that span of time and the only time UTk made it respectable was during 96-06 span when Fulmer had it going on in Knoxville and managed a 7 game win streak against a down and out Bama program flailing under sanctions brought on by the backstabbing under handed Phat Phil and his cronies the Hyam brothers. That and Phat Phil cheating his hypocritical arse off while pointing the finger at Bama.

Helluva karma kickback UTk is suffering through right now and no wonder Bama fans are enjoying laying the wood to the Vololols these days. Hell, were I a Bama fan I would want to keep mudholing UTk every year until the apocalypse too.

But it is time for that forced rivalry game to end, move Auburn to the East and make them Bama's permanent opponent and move Mizzou to the West and make them SC's permanent opponent and then institute a 9 game conference schedule (once the playoff expands to 8 teams) and be done with this bullshite.

Honestly, it would make the Bama-UTk rivalry more fun when they played and it would give Vol Nation time to catch their breath.

#Nb4SCvsClemson but let me remind anyone who is about to go there this. SC vs Clemson is not a conference game and it is not adversely affecting the entire conference. Additionally, SC vs Clemson is an instate rivalry game which Bama vs UT is not. Auburn vs Bama IS an instate rivalry game and it should be kept intact. A&M should be playing UTa every year just like SC plays Clemson, UGA plays GaTech, UF plays FSU and Kentucky plays Louisville.
This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 3:12 pm
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62712 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 10:55 am to
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I get Aub/UGA and Bama/UT

I may be mistaken, but these seem like the only teams that are really invested in the idea. I'd rather see the 9 came SEC schedule and get some more variety

I agree with this.
The next closest is LSU Florida, but LSU just complains about it all the time. And this is when Florida isn't what Florida has been for 25 years.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25517 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 11:03 am to
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If you don’t support a 9 game SEC schedule, you are scared. There is no other legitimate excuse. You’re a pussy.


You think teams are scared of playing 0-8 Arkansas, 1-7 Ole Miss, 3-5 Auburn, 2-6 Tennessee, or 3-5 Vandy?
Remember. Half of the teams in conference are below average.

The idea that scheduling more average teams boosts anything is assinine.

Instead of adding the random SEC team, go out and control your own scheduling and put notre dame, clemson, Oregon, Oklahoma, UCLA, Texas, and FSU on your schedule.

The only conference game that matters is the SECCG.
Posted by 1801
Charleston
Member since Aug 2012
6288 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 11:07 am to
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If you don’t support a 9 game SEC schedule, you are scared.
I've wanted a 10 game SEC schedule since the 5.1.2 format was implemented in 2003.

5 divison
1 perm
4 rotating

it was perfect with 12 schools but now we have extra baggage with the 2012 mistake.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30010 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 11:07 am to
Big 3 east teams vs big 3 west will always move the needle.

This will never go away and thinking otherwise is foolish.

Posted by Leto II
Arrakis
Member since Dec 2018
21224 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 11:08 am to
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The next closest is LSU Florida, but LSU just complains about it all the time.

I didn't want to say it but you are 100% correct
Posted by USCrown
Member since Feb 2009
18 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 11:10 am to
Wow..thought most of you Aub, UGA, Bama, Tn fans would have drawn a line in the sand concerning scrapping the permanent cross division games. It would have been nearly blasphemy about a decade ago or so. Seems like more of you guys are open to the idea than I first thought.

I personally would like to stay at 8 conference games, but get ride of the permanent rivals and rotate every year. Maybe even scrap divisions and just rotate. The obvious downside is that winning a conference title may become just that more difficult, but it would ensure better championship games.

Keeping 8 games will still allow the schools who have major OOC rivals, UF/FSU, UGA/GT, USC/CU, UK/UL etc...to keep their games. I also enjoy the other SEC OOC regional/cross regional games. Going to 9 games, We would likely lose UGA/Notre Dame, LSU/Texas, UF/Miami, Aub/Oregon, USC/UNC, Mizzou/WV, UT/BYU etc...That is my major drawback with increasing the conference schedule.
This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 11:58 am
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44046 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 11:14 am to
The funny thing is, if the SEC scrapped permanent x-div games, and increased conference games to 9 per season, it's not like AU would never play UGA again, or that Bama would never play Tenn again, but that's how fans of these teams seem to act.

Would the world really end if Bama stopped playing Tenn every year, and only played them every other year?
Posted by 3rddownonthe8
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2011
5212 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 11:14 am to
All for a 9 game conference schedule as long as you require all conference teams to play 2 OOC P5/ND games as well.

Only 1 G5/FCS team can be played
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30010 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 11:17 am to
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I didn't want to say it but you are 100% correct



I’m ashamed to admit it. But some LSU writers were simply embarrassing about it.

Billy Gomila wrote about it monthly for a while.

It’s been a top 3 series for LSU and changing it would be a bad move.


Once Tennessee is worth half a damn, this will all make sense.
This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 11:18 am
Posted by kczoutiger
Member since Jul 2016
757 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 11:17 am to
I am in favor of a 9 game conference schedule, but keeping 1 cross division permanent.

I am also in favor of scrapping the FCS game. Exception would be that if all schools play the FCS game first week of the season.

With the 9 conference games, I am in favor of 2 P5 noncon games as well, so total of 11 with 1 nonP5 scheduled out.

All conferences would have to use the same format as well.
Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
5072 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 11:20 am to
The current format potentially hurts chances for AUB, UGA, UF, and LSU but nobody else.

The SEC is the only conference that can get 2 into the CFBP, and increasing the number of SEC games will make that more difficult. Unless there is a scheduling overhaul for the entire P5 I have to disagree with increasing the number of SEC games.

ETA:

I'm more in favor of scraping all gimme games outside of the P5 for more mandated inter conference games. The top of the SEC could reliably beat the likes of Washington, ND, Michigan, and Penn State and bolster our chances instead of beating each other and letting one of them in.
This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 11:24 am
Posted by TigerAndBadger
Member since Aug 2017
234 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 11:21 am to
Swap Missouri and one of kentucky/vandy with Alabama and Auburn. Play 9 conference games. Keeps all traditional rivalries. I imagine a few "Big 6" schools would whine about new East being "too strong", but not much different now with the West. Can even keep a permanent cross game if you like. Actually makes it easier for cycle, and you play everyone at least once every 3 years

West
Arkansas
A&M
Missouri
LSU
Miss St
Ole Miss
Vandy/Kentucky

East
Kentucky/Vandy
South Carolina
Alabama
Auburn
Georgia
Florida
Tennessee


This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 11:23 am
Posted by LMfan
Member since Aug 2014
5145 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 11:23 am to
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Once Tennessee is worth half a damn, this will all make sense.


No, it still won't make sense. There is no logical or historical precedent for forcing two teams to play annually to preserve another program's misguided sense of tradition.

I love the Florida series, but it only exists to accommodate Alabama and that is dumb.

Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
43976 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 11:25 am to
South Carolina is one of my favorite SEC teams; I enjoy playing ‘em regularly.
But I understand the desire to scratch the cross division game.
Selfishly, I’d be disappointed to see that game/trip go.
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