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re: What happened to baseball?

Posted by TigerAndBadger on 5/2/21 at 9:44 pm
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1/3 of a century should be plenty of time to rebuild an athletic department. That excuse is starting to get a little tired IMO.


I have been amazed at how bad Mizzou is at branding and creating a cultural identity tie to the entire state. Using other Midwestern states as an example, Minnesota & Wisconsin both do a great job at connecting with everyone in the state, not just those who went to school. In both of those states, every kid wants to be a Gopher or a Badger; adults too. It extends to the states borders, while Mizzou doesn't do that in Missouri. OU takes over Joplin, Arkansas down by Branson.

As a state with ONE D1 P5 program, it should be EASY.

From an athletic standpoint, the more in state you recruit, the more common points of connection people get, and more likely to tune in and eventually become fans. Wisconsin has a heralded walk on program, with tons of in state guys who make waves. When talent difference is marginal, coaches should recruit home state guys who will put in heart and soul. The Kevin Puryear/Ryan Rosburgs of the state. Sure, they weren't heralded recruits, but they were just as good, and it lots of cases better than random recruits from Ohio or Indiana who don't stay on the team for 4-5 years.

Baseball specific: Meh, incredibly regional sport. Best players go to the Draft/Minors right away. Womens sports are different in that there isn't alot of pro leagues. Its hard to brand a regional sport where stars don't come thru the college ranks. 55 guys on the baseball roster, only 20 from Missouri. When you aren't a blue blood program/University, you have to build from in state.

Just my 2 pence
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I too long for the days of skilled players like Luc Longley just standing in the lane.

There will always be a spot for you if you are over 7'. Shotblocking/rebounding. Unskilled guys like Tacko Fall still make the League
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NASCAR / Jim France

Cmon....Not a major sport.
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NFL / Roger Goodell

Takes a bunch of heat himself, but it actually protects the league many times. The "unite everyone by hating me" strategy. Sure, they miss on things, but every league will. There is a reason they are the top dog though.
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NBA / Adam Silver

Meh. Gets the league lots of media suck ups. Disagree with alot of them/direction of the league, but for players/league, decent job.
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MLB / Rob Manfred

Literally the worst of all. Killed the game with the worst media rights deals. Marketing is awful. The worst.
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MLS/ Don Garber

The best by far. Taken league from near folding to massive expansion. Found their niche with the hipster crowd. Made changes to get big stars. Easily #1, and not just by being better than bad. He's good.
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too skilled

Or just a massive change in the rules. Most NBA euro steps are actually 3 step travels nowadays. No handchecking/any form of physical defense.

It doesn't take any skill to draw foul calls when they blow the whistle at first touch of contact for any star.

Better long distance shooters I'll give, but certainly not more skilled. Quite the opposite. You can be trash at everything else, but if you shoot 3's, you can make the NBA.
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Snyder was just too early in his career

For sure, but he's arguably the the best since Norm. 4 Tournament appearances in his first 4 years with an Elite 8 run, 2 1st round wins, and only 1 first round exit. Followed by 2 NIT bids, and a bad start and a really young team (fired). That was when the Big 12 was at its height, and they were always competitive 9-7, only one 7-9 conference record.

Suitcase Mike was basically the reverse with 1.5 less seasons. 2 no bid seasons followed by 3 tournament appearances with an Elite 8 run.

Quin is a great basketball mind, but probably needed a little more seasoning and guidance. Best since Norm though IMO
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least athletic in the SEC


Athleticism is not the problem. SEC basketball has historically been low on skill, high on athleticism, and that is why it sucked for decades.

Our team is low on skill. We have plenty of athleticism.

People use Wisconsin as an example. As an alum of both Mizzou and Wisco (also the two teams I watch the most), I can assure you that they are NOT more athletic. They are more SKILLED. Ball handling. Passing. Pressure dribbling when double teamed. Jeremiah Tilmon is much more athletic than Ethan Happ ever is/was. But Wisco DEVELOPED the 3star Happ and his game to be effective.

Cuonzo has not DEVELOPED any of our current roster. They make the same mistakes over and over, without much change. Some players, like Watson, have even REGRESSED while at Mizzou.

We MIGHT get lucky and win a game in the tournament, but next year will be back to the drawing board when all our playmakers leave.

re: Sweet Sixteen or bust?

Posted by TigerAndBadger on 2/10/21 at 1:11 pm
As much as I'd love to see this team make a run, I don't think they have the consistency in creating and scoring that it takes to win more than 2 games in the tourney.

We only have 1 guy who can consistently create opportunities, Pinson. He is hot/cold. Tilmon's effectiveness is dictated by how fouls get called. Our 3 ball is below average.

Now, all it takes is for one guy to get March Madness injected into his veins, and can carry teams to the promised land (see Walker, Kemba). If I had to bet right now, I'd bet on a first round exit more than a Sweet 16 run. (Seedings/brackets/matchups matter of course)
1 National Title = 20 Years of Making the tournament.

Way overvalued IMO. 25 would be more appropriate. I don't like the Conference Wins/Losses metric. Some conferences smash others.
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Kim Anderson

Did his job admirably. It wasn't to win, it was to run a clean program and get us out of probation forest.
I could see Colorado to the B1G if they go western expansion
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Probably the wrestling background

Farming/Wrestling.

It is crazy to me how the South has not adopted wrestling. Without a doubt, it is the best technique builder for linemen and defensive players outside of football, and perhaps even better. Wrestling teaches body control and learning the points of the body that are weak and can be attacked. So much of football training speaks only to aggression and pure power. Wrestling also helps train you to someone of equal/bigger size, not getting lazy being just bigger your whole life.
8 team playoff: Conference Champs + Top G5 get auto bids, and 2 At Large. Top 4 host home game first round. Must be conference champ to be Top 4 (At larges must have away game). Solved.
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Alabama

Expectations will be unrealistic post-Saban. One of, if not the greatest, college football coaches ever. In state competition in a small staet.
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Ohio State

Top 5 job no doubt.
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Florida

Good job, but tough given 2 other major in state schools. Great recruiting ground, but everyone is coming there.
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Georgia

I'd put this as the top job in the SEC tbh. Minimal in state competition (Georgia Tech just isn't committed to football). Fertile recruiting. Enough success for pedigree, but not so much for Saban-level expectations.
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Texas

Maybe the toughest job, but Coaches who can do the politicking will be gods here. Texas is mecca of HS football. Top 5 job no doubt.
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Clemson

Wayyyyy too high. Recency bias heavy. Who wants to follow Dabo's success here? If Dabo jumps to Bama post Saban, what does Clemson become. Relatively small state, Gamecocks traditionally bigger, and not particularly strong state recruiting wise.
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LSU

P5 jobs with only 1 major D1 university always bump up in my rankings. Ability to rally entire state is big. The state may be under water alot of the time, but this program isn't.
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Oklahoma

Blue Blood. Some in state competition from the Pokes, but Red River rivalry helps elevate Sooners to higher status. National brand. Basically Texas for recruiting.
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Texas A&M

Nah. Longhorn little bro ain't anywhere near Top 20.
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Auburn

Nope. Too high. Small state, 2nd big school. Unrealistic expectations.
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Notre Dame

Blue Blood, but also perhaps the toughest job in P5. Actually adhere to academic standards. National Brand. Top 10 job. Would be Top 5, but difficulty drops it a little.
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Michigan

Blue Blood, but continuing theme, split state with Mich State. Been able to raid NY/NJ/Beltway lately, which is widely underrated for talent.
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Penn State

This job was always great, but I think its even more attractive now (James Franklin recognized I think). Proud history ready to move on from JoPa mess. Bill OB saved the program from falling into irrelevance. Pitt isn't really a threat to statewide dominance.
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Oregon

New Money. That Nike Money/Brand makes this very attractive. Bit gimmicky for my taste, but kids love that stuff. If only it were in a bigger state...
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Wisconsin

Top 10 job (admit I may be biased). Only P5 in state boost. Good history. Easier division. The one tough part is getting the 5 star position player studs. Fan base not unrealistic though.
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Florida State

Same as Florida. Tough state. Lots of competition.
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USC

Way low. For a long time, USC was the only "big" game in town. Rams/Chargers may be back, but USC still holds as strong brand in largest state.
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Washington

Weather here sucks. Certainly strong program, but Location/Game Times/Lack of Cali glamour make it tougher.
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Tennessee

Basically Lesser Nebraska. Memphis' success harms the program.
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Ole Miss

Nah. Tiny state, split with Miss State. States on either side have much stronger programs/access to recruiting bases.
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Miami

Swag, but its a tough line to walk. When they rolling, they a Top 20 job, but rebuilding here is a nightmare.
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Virginia Tech

Maybe the one program that can survive being lil bro in their state. UVA is always more academic focused than athletic. It allows VT to thrive more than they would.
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North Carolina

Basketball is first. Football is afterthought.
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UCLA

Basketball yes. Football no. USC owns football. UCLA Basketball. Is and will forever be.
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South Carolina

Used to be higher. But Clemson's recent success knocks it down.
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Michigan State

Tough. Had some great success despite being lil bro, but never going to be a top tier job.
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Nebraska

Peak of Unrealistic Expectations. But also, Most Committed fan base, bar none. Very tough to recruit, but great job IMO.
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Mississippi State

Lolz
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TCU

Gotten Better since joining P5, but always going to be a small private school in Longhorn state. Not Top 30 job.
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Missouri

Only P5 school in state boost. Historically been basketball school, but seems to be leveling out. One benefit to being Northernmost (or any direction furthest from rest of conference), is that we can recruit Iowa/Chicago/kansas, etc and pluck top talent there.
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Arkansas

Down on luck lately, but a decent job IMO. Single P5 school boost.
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Oklahoma State

Lil bro. What happens when T Boone dies? Dude has sunk so much money into athletics there.
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NC State

Lil bro. Tons of instate competition.
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Kentucky

Basketball.
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Louisville

Basketball too.
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Stanford

Academics.

Will give it a think and give Top 25 in a bit
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Is it just me or does this scheduling make no sense?


Don't know if y'all are just realizing this, but there are old heads in league office who don't think we belong here, and try to screw us at every turn. Some specific refs certainly do.

That 42 high is pretty darn warm for the time of year. Its a blessing, basically short sleeve weather.

re: MLS Playoffs

Posted by TigerAndBadger on 11/22/20 at 7:04 pm
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Tim. Melia.


Wouldn't mind seeing him in a 23 specifically for shootouts. Absolute wall on pens. Kind of like TJ Oshie was for hockey olympics.
Running almost directly in front of Mckennie on that break up the left side. Have to either book it and make a move past the RB along the touchline or drift inside and make the RB choose. What happened is the RB stayed with both until he got help and then couldn't make the pass/intercepted.
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How so?

Looks and plays young. Can tell technical aspects are being developed, but not quite there with positioning and understanding the game. Doesn't look bad, but just in comparison to guys playing at top tier clubs; the quality difference shows.
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How have these two been bad?


Not bad, but just not connecting the way the rest of the players have. Llanez looks like a YNT player out there. Can tell talent, but not quite putting it together. Cannon hasn't had much to do, but doesn't create much going forward. Probably has something to do with seeing Dest on the other side be able to dribble and control possession, while Cannon is straight up the side and whip in cross no matter who is there.