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re: In 2001 The XFL considered allowing kids straight from HS to play
Posted on 12/15/18 at 12:57 pm to BurgTiger
Posted on 12/15/18 at 12:57 pm to BurgTiger
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Snowflake mentality to insult rather than engage.
Indeed, if you have to tear down the other person so that your argument looks better...you really dont have that strong of an argument
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 1:02 pm to HailToTheChiz
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would ruin college football
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So college football is dependent on dumb kids who have no business going to college...going to college?
CFB was wildly popular even before it became the NFL minor league. Fan enthusiasm and support isnt relative to the physical talent of the athletes. Never has been
Posted on 12/15/18 at 1:27 pm to BurgTiger
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If McMahon almost did it in 2001, it would be a no brainer now that TV rights are worth INSANE dollars. LINK
I haven’t—and am not going to—look it up, but I doubt the XFL will command much TV money. This league will fold again within a year or 2. People won’t have any commitment or obligation to these teams when they’re already supporting the NFL and NCAA teams they’ve grown up with.
This post was edited on 12/15/18 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 12/15/18 at 2:06 pm to Dawgholio
Posted on 12/15/18 at 2:21 pm to BurgTiger
I don't know about you, but I worked out religiously from high-school through college, but it wasn't till I was 25 or so before I got my "man strength," and that was with a much more lackadaisical routine.
Point being, in no way are 18-20 years olds developed enough. There are exceptions; I'm sure Adrian Peterson or Fournette could manage, but 99.9999% would not.
Point being, in no way are 18-20 years olds developed enough. There are exceptions; I'm sure Adrian Peterson or Fournette could manage, but 99.9999% would not.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 3:06 pm to UTprideofTX
Every year there are freaks like Nick Chubb, this pic from his senior year in high school. You, me and 99% of men aren’t 5 star freaks that on any given year a tanking team would trade and accumulate half a dozen late round picks to take kids like this knowing the upside is in 2 years you’d have basically 4 1st round picks of talent ready to play for your roster.
These aren’t “18-19 year boys” these are athletic freaks with deteriorating skill sets who can lose it all with a hit to the knee or head.
I guarantee you today there are at least 5-10 college freshmen DBs that could start for the Chiefs and make $ right now rather than wait 2 more years.
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 4:13 pm to BurgTiger
Then people could watch FCS and division III football. I don’t see a problem. But yes the injuries would be devastating to the new draft picks
Posted on 12/15/18 at 4:19 pm to bamafan1001
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So college football is dependent on dumb kids who have no business going to college...going to college?
CFB was wildly popular even before it became the NFL minor league. Fan enthusiasm and support isnt relative to the physical talent of the athletes. Never has been
It would dilute the product. I don't see it ever happening due to the capital involved. They'd most likely just start paying college players more
But, I find it funny that you think this thread is about a college education
Posted on 12/15/18 at 4:38 pm to BurgTiger
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I guarantee you today there are at least 5-10 college freshmen DBs that could start for the Chiefs and make $ right now rather than wait 2 more years
I can "guarantee" you there isn't
Posted on 12/15/18 at 5:44 pm to bamafan1001
I think it would be good for the college/student athletes and highschool athletes who want the $$$.
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 6:51 pm to tigerburningbright75
quote:Wrong.
Right now there's not a GM in the NFL who would ever use a draft pick on a high school kid
Teams would love to get 3 extra years out of some players. Right now teams only really get 8 years out of RB's since they have short careers. This would bump that to 11 years.
Your telling me that Sean Payton would not prefer a 21 year old that has been in his system for 3 years vs a 21 year old that has not spent a minute under his tutelage?
Posted on 12/15/18 at 7:00 pm to BurgTiger
Check out the compensation they are planning and tell me how many high school player are going to be stupid enough to take this instead of a college scholarship.
The XFL standard form contract will offer players a salary of $7,500 per game, substantially higher than the 2018 minimum of the Canadian Football League and roughly in line with the 2001 XFL's $4,500 base salary when adjusted for inflation.[24] Marquee talent will be eligible for up to a $200,000 annual salary.[25] XFL contracts are for one year, with no restrictions on joining other leagues after the season ends; this is in particular contrast to the Alliance of American Football, which requires players to sign three-year contracts, and the CFL, which requires new players to sign two-year deals.[26] 45 players will be signed to each team's roster, up from 38 in the previous league.[18] In contrast to the original XFL, players' health insurance will be covered by the league.[14] The players will not be represented by a labor union, which will help prevent a lockout or strike.[15] The league has suggested that players will earn bonuses for each game they win, ensuring each team continues to stay competitive and players have a significant stake in the outcome of each game.
The XFL standard form contract will offer players a salary of $7,500 per game, substantially higher than the 2018 minimum of the Canadian Football League and roughly in line with the 2001 XFL's $4,500 base salary when adjusted for inflation.[24] Marquee talent will be eligible for up to a $200,000 annual salary.[25] XFL contracts are for one year, with no restrictions on joining other leagues after the season ends; this is in particular contrast to the Alliance of American Football, which requires players to sign three-year contracts, and the CFL, which requires new players to sign two-year deals.[26] 45 players will be signed to each team's roster, up from 38 in the previous league.[18] In contrast to the original XFL, players' health insurance will be covered by the league.[14] The players will not be represented by a labor union, which will help prevent a lockout or strike.[15] The league has suggested that players will earn bonuses for each game they win, ensuring each team continues to stay competitive and players have a significant stake in the outcome of each game.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 7:13 pm to UTprideofTX
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Point being, in no way are 18-20 years olds developed enough.
You can say the same thing about baseball. Since 2000, there have only been 13 teenagers to play in Major League Baseball. Take away the guys who barely had a cup of coffee in the majors (less than 5 games appeared for pitchers or 20 PAs) and that number drops down to 8. If the NFL dropped the age limit, I bet the number of teenagers in the NFL wouldn't be much different than the number of teenagers in MLB.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 7:34 pm to BurgTiger
I get the money aspect, but assuming I’m not completely destitute Is much rather go to college.
As much as people whine about them not getting paid, they got it pretty damn good.
The avg salary is supposed to be 75k anyway.
As much as people whine about them not getting paid, they got it pretty damn good.
The avg salary is supposed to be 75k anyway.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 8:16 pm to BurgTiger
You don't understand the business side of sports very well. In 2001, McMahon had NBC as a 50-50 partner. He still failed.
As has already been pointed out, average league salaries are going to be 75k supposedly, so your idea of paying the least ready players 2-3x that is not based on reality.
Nobody cares to follow high school phenoms below the highest professional level. Or in other words, when high school phenoms skip college basketball and go play overseas do they get a bunch of people tuning in? No. When they don't make an NBA roster and get sent to the G league, does anybody watch? No. When baseball phenoms play in the minors, due they draw millions of viewers to the games in person and in TV? No. When soccer phenoms play below the highest league do they get millions to tune in like they do in the premiership/etc? No. When prep football schools used to have rosters loaded with big time talent that didn't qualify, did they have huge crowds and games on TV? No. Do the JUCOs who get big time talent have that now? No.
The other thing you and McMahon miss is that his league is supposed to have 8 teams. Each team is in a city that already has an NFL team. They're doing that bc of the media markets, but Dallas Cowboys fans aren't all the sudden going to become fans of a second professional football team in Dallas. Accordingly, the majority of folks who would be buying season tickets, apparel, etc in those cities are going to spend that discretionary cash on the Cowboys still and not divert it to some new lesser team. Additionally, you'll have nowhere near the corporate money spent on suites/tickets/etc. The big time companies who are schmoozing big time clients and business partners are not going to want to be viewed as doing it at the little brother franchise.
So, you can play kids like you want to, nobody is going to want to watch kids fresh out of high school play in a crappy league, and the franchises are at a huge disadvantage for fans and companies available discretionary funds. The league isn't going to be successful even if someone becomes the high school herschel and goes to the league for a huge contract.
As has already been pointed out, average league salaries are going to be 75k supposedly, so your idea of paying the least ready players 2-3x that is not based on reality.
Nobody cares to follow high school phenoms below the highest professional level. Or in other words, when high school phenoms skip college basketball and go play overseas do they get a bunch of people tuning in? No. When they don't make an NBA roster and get sent to the G league, does anybody watch? No. When baseball phenoms play in the minors, due they draw millions of viewers to the games in person and in TV? No. When soccer phenoms play below the highest league do they get millions to tune in like they do in the premiership/etc? No. When prep football schools used to have rosters loaded with big time talent that didn't qualify, did they have huge crowds and games on TV? No. Do the JUCOs who get big time talent have that now? No.
The other thing you and McMahon miss is that his league is supposed to have 8 teams. Each team is in a city that already has an NFL team. They're doing that bc of the media markets, but Dallas Cowboys fans aren't all the sudden going to become fans of a second professional football team in Dallas. Accordingly, the majority of folks who would be buying season tickets, apparel, etc in those cities are going to spend that discretionary cash on the Cowboys still and not divert it to some new lesser team. Additionally, you'll have nowhere near the corporate money spent on suites/tickets/etc. The big time companies who are schmoozing big time clients and business partners are not going to want to be viewed as doing it at the little brother franchise.
So, you can play kids like you want to, nobody is going to want to watch kids fresh out of high school play in a crappy league, and the franchises are at a huge disadvantage for fans and companies available discretionary funds. The league isn't going to be successful even if someone becomes the high school herschel and goes to the league for a huge contract.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 9:26 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
Who the frick is "forcing" anyone to go to college?
Posted on 12/15/18 at 9:51 pm to reservoir_dawg
Good points. My premise is if it’s offered in the dead sports time of April-July it could score a reasonable media payday. I think IF the XFL is ever going to work it will have to compete with college football and not the NFL.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:24 pm to BurgTiger
Other leagues have tried playing at different times of year...all failed.
Even the NFL’s own sponsored developmental league folded.
It doesn’t matter who they get to play or what their plan is...failure follows.
That is complete aside from the point many have already made in this thread...18-20 year olds in general are not physically mature enough to take the stress of hitting and being hit by 25-30 year old seasoned pro’s.
Even the NFL’s own sponsored developmental league folded.
It doesn’t matter who they get to play or what their plan is...failure follows.
That is complete aside from the point many have already made in this thread...18-20 year olds in general are not physically mature enough to take the stress of hitting and being hit by 25-30 year old seasoned pro’s.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 12:55 am to bamafan1001
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So college football is dependent on dumb kids who have no business going to college...going to college?
I taught at a well know Texas university, probably 90% of the team roster had no business being in college.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 1:10 am to BurgTiger
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any given year a tanking team would trade and accumulate half a dozen late round picks to take kids like this
This is laughable. The NFL has their three year rule for a reason. They will not budge from it.
You suggesting that they would draft 17 and 18 year olds is absolutely stupid, as they have unanimously agreed that they have zero interest in ever doing this.
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