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re: In 2001 The XFL considered allowing kids straight from HS to play
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:20 pm to EA6B
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:20 pm to EA6B
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I taught at a well know Texas university, probably 90% of the team roster had no business being in college.
I worked in an athlete computer lab in undergrad. There were advisor/tutors that had offices on both sides of me. I once literally heard one of them call Mark Ingram and tell him "Mark your professor just called and said you havent shown up for your test....yes you have to go...now" all while working on a powerpoint for another football player. This kind of thing has been done at every school ive been at with football players.
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Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:28 pm to bamafan1001
I think we should allow it
Posted on 12/17/18 at 8:01 am to bamafan1001
Lots of good points about the financial feasibility of the OP’s idea.
So maybe the OP has salaries that don’t seem realistic to some. The OP’s idea and the argument are solid.
Those of you arguing against high school football players signing with a professional league have very weak platforms....
- “What kid would be dumb enough to take that deal?” Are you kidding me? These kids are choosing schools after some bagman gave a relative $10,000. You think a kid wouldn’t listen to someone willing to pay much more?
- “It would ruin college football”. I have no idea how this would happen. We pull for our school no matter the quality of athlete under the uniform.
- “18 yo’s cannot play with 25 yo men”. Neither can my mother and that’s why my mother wouldn’t be on the field. Those kids that can’t compete at that level wouldn’t be drafted and wouldn’t play, that’s true in any sport and every level of competition.
- “Kids would choose the opportunity to get a free education”. Did I really read this argument or am I just thinking I did, cuz this one is hilarious.
Whatever we can do to give kids choices so they can be compensated for their skills should happen, because that is what is right and fair. Lots and lots of people and entities profit from the skills of elite college football players, except the player. We know the kid is not forced to go to college, but what other better path does a kid have in order to make it to the NFL’s financial windfall?
So maybe the OP has salaries that don’t seem realistic to some. The OP’s idea and the argument are solid.
Those of you arguing against high school football players signing with a professional league have very weak platforms....
- “What kid would be dumb enough to take that deal?” Are you kidding me? These kids are choosing schools after some bagman gave a relative $10,000. You think a kid wouldn’t listen to someone willing to pay much more?
- “It would ruin college football”. I have no idea how this would happen. We pull for our school no matter the quality of athlete under the uniform.
- “18 yo’s cannot play with 25 yo men”. Neither can my mother and that’s why my mother wouldn’t be on the field. Those kids that can’t compete at that level wouldn’t be drafted and wouldn’t play, that’s true in any sport and every level of competition.
- “Kids would choose the opportunity to get a free education”. Did I really read this argument or am I just thinking I did, cuz this one is hilarious.
Whatever we can do to give kids choices so they can be compensated for their skills should happen, because that is what is right and fair. Lots and lots of people and entities profit from the skills of elite college football players, except the player. We know the kid is not forced to go to college, but what other better path does a kid have in order to make it to the NFL’s financial windfall?
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 8:04 am
Posted on 12/17/18 at 8:03 am to BurgTiger
If I was a blue chip recruit I'd rather just play 3 years in college.
Not this Mickey Mouse league.
Now if the NFL Allowed me to Jump right to the pros, then sign me up.
Not this Mickey Mouse league.
Now if the NFL Allowed me to Jump right to the pros, then sign me up.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 8:04 am
Posted on 12/17/18 at 8:05 am to MSHawg1
It wouldn't ruin college football. It would make it more authentic though. Guys stay all 4 years. Teams would be more balanced with the top tier talent going to get paid instead of pretending to try in school.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 8:06 am to LB84
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It wouldn't ruin college football. It would make it more authentic though. Guys stay all 4 years. Teams would be more balanced with the top tier talent going to get paid instead of pretending to try in school.
I like how it is now, and hope nothing changes.
I like the top tier talent, I tried watching Army-Navy, that was painful to watch.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 8:16 am to I Bleed Garnet
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like how it is now, and hope nothing changes.
I like the top tier talent, I tried watching Army-Navy, that was painful to watch.
Even with the top tier talent following around 6-7 coaches/programs?
Since 2006 it's been Saban/Bama, Meyer/Florida/Ohio State, Jimbo/FSU, and Dabo/Clemson. The only outliers have been LSU and Auburn.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 8:20 am to LB84
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Even with the top tier talent following around 6-7 coaches/programs?
yes
I'm fine with it
Because even in that time a blind squirrel finds a nut (we won 11 games 3 years in a row)
Posted on 12/17/18 at 8:27 am to BurgTiger
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Make a guaranteed rookie minimum for XFL first year players of like $150,000
Pretty sure they probably couldnt afford this
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:05 am to Toneski
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The OP’s idea and the argument are solid.
None of it is "solid" if it's not financially viable.
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“What kid would be dumb enough to take that deal?” Are you kidding me? These kids are choosing schools after some bagman gave a relative $10,000. You think a kid wouldn’t listen to someone willing to pay much more?
Who said this? And getting a scholarship with multi-million dollar facilities,support,training and coaching is absolutely a counter to a one time,short term shot at making 150k where nothing is guaranteed and support, facilities,training etc aren't close.Baseball players turn down
MLB contracts all the time to go to college and they're getting offered a helluva lot more than 150k.
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Those kids that can’t compete at that level wouldn’t be drafted and wouldn’t play, that’s true in any sport and every level of competition.
Football is a completely different game all together than
Baseball, Basketball, Hockey etc
Don't be absurd...apples to bowling balls
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Whatever we can do to give kids choices so they can be compensated for their skills should happen, because that is what is right and fair.
What? What's this "we" garbage?
If some multi billionaire really wants to throw his money away in an alternative pro FB league that drafts HS kids...more power to em.He'll either go broke or lose millions.Either way it won't last long.
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Lots and lots of people and entities profit from the skills of elite college football players, except the player.
They're looking at a big payday at the end of 3 or 4 years thanks to training,support and development they receive in college and a college education if they choose to take advantage.
Stop being so patriarchal with these kids and acting like their only shot in life is a 150k short term payday or digging a ditch.
I know several ex CFB players who've gone on to successful careers and some w/ out a degree and most used their college experience/contacts to propel their professional lives.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:23 am to RD Dawg
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None of it is "solid" if it's not financially viable.
Who are you to say what is financially viable? You said in your comments "If some billionaire wants to spend.....more power to him". If someone is willing to do it then it's something these kids can take advantage of whether you think it's financially feasible or not.
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Who said this?
LOL, you did didn't you? And now you've edited your post because I can't find it.
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Football is a completely different game all together than
Baseball, Basketball, Hockey etc
Don't be absurd...apples to bowling balls
Unsupported statement. Competition is competition and you know this if you're interested enough in sports to be on a message board.
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What? What's this "we" garbage?
Why are you so angry? How 'bout I change "we" to "society" or "institutions in charge" or "unseen forces".
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They're looking at a big payday at the end of 3 or 4 years thanks to training,support and development they receive in college and a college education if they choose to take advantage.
Stop being so patriarchal with these kids and acting like their only shot in life is a 150k short term payday or digging a ditch.
I have no idea how giving someone more choices is being "patriarchal". At this point you're not even making any sense.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 10:24 am
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:37 am to I Bleed Garnet
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If I was a blue chip recruit I'd rather just play 3 years in college.
There are probably a lot that would make the same decision but there are also a lot that would take a pay paycheck. Would if you had a guaranteed 30k with chances to make more based off playing time? A lot of black kids who have talent come from single parent households and dont have much money
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:43 am to Toneski
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Who are you to say what is financially viable?
It's never worked STARTING with the WFL,USFL,XFL and Arena League AND the OP mentions a pie & the sky media that's not on place...none of it adds up to success.
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someone is willing to do it then it's something these kids can take advantage of whether you think it's financially feasible or not.
Once again,NOTHING indicates the AAFL will come close to doing this.XFL isn't offering these terms as well.
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Unsupported statement. Competition is competition
Your right,FB is the exact same thing as pro bowling or tennis.
God almighty,can you not see the difference in physicallitty and devolpment between FB,Basketball and Baseball? The ONLY position where a kid MIGHT be ready to compete is RB.
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Why are you so angry? How 'bout I change "we" to "society" or "institutions in charge" or "unseen forces".
LOL...so this is somehow about "society"???
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I have no idea how giving someone more choices is being "patriarchal".
NOBODY is giving anybody choices here...it's nothing more than wishful thinking and fantasy.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:46 am to bamafan1001
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Would if you had a guaranteed 30k with chances to make more based off playing time?
depends how much.
But if I was a blue chip recruit with my current upbringing.
yea gimme a top football program. Not the XFL
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:48 am to Toneski
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Why are you so angry? How 'bout I change "we" to "society" or "institutions in charge" or "unseen forces"
Its fascinating to me how angry people get making arguments here. Noone is arguing to take away anything from players but rather to give them more options and fans more options. Why are people so against more football? I swear I think some of these people want these leagues to fail just so that they can tell everyone they were right. I havent been to a Bama game in years but ill make some time to go see the Birmingham Iron this spring.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:27 am to RD Dawg
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You do realize HS baseball players that are drafted sometimes turn down 100's of thousands of dollars to go to college.
Trust me,these kids will get agents and $150k ain't gonna move the needle for 90% of em.
I think you're wrong here. Most of the baseball players being drafted from the US are from fairly well off families. It's the only way they were able to get enough exposure and $$$ to play the showcases and travel leagues.
These mostly AA kids coming out of HS for football would most definitely take the 150-200k in a heartbeat- especially if they didn't have to go to class. They don't come from well off families. Hell, multiple LSU players left school a year early for a minuscule practice squad check when they could've come back and helped their draft status and postpone the immediate gratification.
If the XFL offers HS kids money to play and they don't have to go to school, then you bet your arse that at least 2/3 of the top 250 HS players would be in the XFL and not college.
College football is already a joke and already sucks, so I would gladly welcome it so that some change could be made.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:29 am to BurgTiger
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Vince McMahon would be a freaking genius if he does it this time around. It would forever change college football.
That's assuming the league doesn't fold halfway into the season like it did the first time around. Imagine a bunch of high school kids committing to play in a league, giving up their amateur status, only for said league to fold in the first season, leaving them SOL of playing football for 2 more years.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:35 am to bamafan1001
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CFB was wildly popular even before it became the NFL minor league. Fan enthusiasm and support isnt relative to the physical talent of the athletes. Never has been
You're absolutely correct, and that's what so many people fail to realize when trying to quantify the value of individual players. Fans follow teams not because of the players playing on them but because of the association with the university. The players need the Universities for exposure to the NFL scouts. The players need these universities more than the universities need individual players. If the best players began to skip college for some sort of minor league system, the universities would continue to make money. The players who skipped would be playing in leagues no one watches outside of your overly obsessed NFL fans. Minor league baseball gets most of the best high school players every year. The minor league clubs aren't making any money off of these guys and they're still all subsidized by their MLB affiliates. If they were asked to be self-sufficient, minor league clubs would cease to exist.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 11:37 am
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:41 am to I Bleed Garnet
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depends how much.
Its a legitimate question. Bham will have 5 home games. Tix go from $20 to $60. If you averaged 25k in attendance and $32 tickets you’d be seeing 4 million from ticket sales in gross revenue.
Allocate 500k for your coaching staff and youd have about 58k per player for a 60 man roster. Obviously doesn’t include facility, front office etc. TV and concessions would have to take care of that.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:58 am to Moustache
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ou do realize HS baseball players that are drafted sometimes turn down 100's of thousands of dollars to go to college.
Trust me,these kids will get agents and $150k ain't gonna move the needle for 90% of em.
I think you're wrong here.
Yes he's wrong and you are correct.
A good friend is about to fly his high school baseball player son from SC to AZ for a baseball showcase event. Baseball is not a sport where pure athleticism wins out, like football and basketball. Baseball is more akin to tennis and most top high school baseball players have had very involved parents who have spent years of time and lots of money getting that kid to that level of player (travel teams, showcase events, private coaching, etc.)
How does a low income, single parent household high school football player even remotely compare to the financial situation of the typical elite baseball player in high school? I think RD Dawg calls such a comparison "apples to bowling balls".
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 12:00 pm
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