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re: If you were a head baseball coach, what reason(s) would you leave for another university?
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:25 pm to EKG
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:25 pm to EKG
Money, facilities, and recruiting. A&M has them.
But in all honesty, you are far more likely to hire a head coach from a "mid-major" or an assistant from a power conference, so it's an easier sell. You aren't likely to hire the baseball equivalent of Jimbo Fisher or Buzz Williams. Not saying it couldn't happen, but it's just rare in college baseball.
But in all honesty, you are far more likely to hire a head coach from a "mid-major" or an assistant from a power conference, so it's an easier sell. You aren't likely to hire the baseball equivalent of Jimbo Fisher or Buzz Williams. Not saying it couldn't happen, but it's just rare in college baseball.
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Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:28 pm to Sun God
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They’re making big money and have much more coaching than what is offered in college ball where you can only have three (I think?) coaches
I’m clearly uninformed about the jack that triple A kids can earn.
Makes sense.
I assumed that collegiate ball/a degree/tuition was an equal (better?) deal for those players who weren’t first or second rounders.
And the numbers of coaches is new to me.
I have much to learn.
Good stuff—thanks.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:28 pm to Cornelius
Yup.
LSU at the pinnacle of college baseball hired Smoke fricking Laval from ULM after Skip retired
There were other factors in play but still
LSU at the pinnacle of college baseball hired Smoke fricking Laval from ULM after Skip retired
There were other factors in play but still
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:33 pm to Cornelius
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But in all honesty, you are far more likely to hire a head coach from a "mid-major" or an assistant from a power conference, so it's an easier sell. You aren't likely to hire the baseball equivalent of Jimbo Fisher or Buzz Williams. Not saying it couldn't happen, but it's just rare in college baseball.
I hear ya.
I don’t want that guy.
I want a youngish, non-rockstar who loves the game and will bash some skulls.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:38 pm to Sun God
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College baseball also has the whole partial scholarship deal which makes certain schools more attractive to bring in players
This would be a big factor. Forgive me if I call it wrong but some states have the “stars” programs and the like that tuition is paid If you make a certain GPA. So you can offer more full rides to any blue chips that may slip through or don’t sign with with a MLB club. Advantage to those schools. It is just very difficult to build a solid baseball program with the scholly limitations. I agree with the above post 100%.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:39 pm to starkvingrad
A young pitcher drafted into the pros is protected because the coach is charged by the big league club with bringing him along slowly preparing him for AA, 3A or the show. A minor league coach who misuses his pitchers will be out of a job promptly.
A college coach doesn't really care about his pitchers future. As far as college goes, he is gone when he is gone... thank you (waves at the bullpen). Therefore in the past the most promising pitchers got drafted, went to the minors straight away. What college coaches are left with is trying to find and recruit "tweeners," pitchers not regarded as top of draft out of high school but with potential to develop.
This is a true story.. soph in high school invited to evaluation camp by big league team... shows pretty good potential. The scout tells him he will be watched..but must play. Later advised to go to college cause draft status would be teens, but go to college where he will be on the mound. Scout says "it doesn't matter if it is Samford University, or Alabama.. we will find you and watch you...but you have to be playing"
There has been some change in the last 15 years with college ball, especially with the SEC being more highly regarded, maybe thought to be equivalent to 1.5A or low 2A minor leagues, at least in regards to position play.. and it is becoming more common for position players to opt for college. Pitching is another story... college pitching is generally behind the minor league curve except for a few top arms.
I wasn't kidding about misuse of pitchers by college coaches back in the day. It was a hot topic in the 1990s all over baseball, and in Louisiana especially about LSU. I could name a few pitchers losing their arms up there and quote a certain hall of fame coach about it. But LSU did nothing that every other coach wasn't doing... and high school was even worse.. pitchers throwing ridiculous amount of pitches trying to win a State Championship. This all finally lead to pitch counts being manditory.. but to answer your question remember.. college ball ends at graduation. Pro ball can continue for a long time.
A college coach doesn't really care about his pitchers future. As far as college goes, he is gone when he is gone... thank you (waves at the bullpen). Therefore in the past the most promising pitchers got drafted, went to the minors straight away. What college coaches are left with is trying to find and recruit "tweeners," pitchers not regarded as top of draft out of high school but with potential to develop.
This is a true story.. soph in high school invited to evaluation camp by big league team... shows pretty good potential. The scout tells him he will be watched..but must play. Later advised to go to college cause draft status would be teens, but go to college where he will be on the mound. Scout says "it doesn't matter if it is Samford University, or Alabama.. we will find you and watch you...but you have to be playing"
There has been some change in the last 15 years with college ball, especially with the SEC being more highly regarded, maybe thought to be equivalent to 1.5A or low 2A minor leagues, at least in regards to position play.. and it is becoming more common for position players to opt for college. Pitching is another story... college pitching is generally behind the minor league curve except for a few top arms.
I wasn't kidding about misuse of pitchers by college coaches back in the day. It was a hot topic in the 1990s all over baseball, and in Louisiana especially about LSU. I could name a few pitchers losing their arms up there and quote a certain hall of fame coach about it. But LSU did nothing that every other coach wasn't doing... and high school was even worse.. pitchers throwing ridiculous amount of pitches trying to win a State Championship. This all finally lead to pitch counts being manditory.. but to answer your question remember.. college ball ends at graduation. Pro ball can continue for a long time.
This post was edited on 4/8/21 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:39 pm to EKG
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2) Climate. If the weather is cold all the way through May, I would consider going south where it starts getting warm in February.
I may be way off but didn’t Michigan of all schools win it?
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:41 pm to EKG
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If I’m a pitcher who has a rocket for an arm, would it not behoove me to put in some work for two years in a collegiate rotation (e.g., Arkansas) with other arms like mine, rather than playing with the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre RailRiders?
If you're playing in AAA in year 2, then you probably don't need college. But the statistics show that more MLB players are coming from college than straight out of high school. Pitching development in college is getting much better, and MLB teams are noticing. See Derek Johnson, Wes Johnson, & Chris Fetter.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:42 pm to Jacknola
Also we loaded everyone up with roids
90s baseball GOAT
90s baseball GOAT
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:43 pm to Cornelius
I wish Ronald Acuña and Juan Soto would’ve come to LSU
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:49 pm to Cornelius
Cornelius, do you happen to have any data re: how many years the average collegiate (stud) hurler plays in the NCAA before bolting to the MLB?
That’s the type of stat that has to be maddening for a college baseball head coach to endure.
Thanks for your opinions—y’all are good eggs in this thread, and I’m grateful.
That’s the type of stat that has to be maddening for a college baseball head coach to endure.
Thanks for your opinions—y’all are good eggs in this thread, and I’m grateful.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 9:57 pm to EKG
Most four-year college players are not draft-eligible until after their junior year. Sophomores are draft-eligible if they turn 21 by a certain date.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:00 pm to EKG
College players can be dratfted after three years in college or after they turn 21. Whichever comes first
Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:02 pm to Sun God
Wondering why that’s the case for baseball but not for football?
Clearly it’s an MLB vs NFL regulation.
But the entire scenario makes me scratch my head.
Clearly it’s an MLB vs NFL regulation.
But the entire scenario makes me scratch my head.
Posted on 4/8/21 at 10:07 pm to EKG
Baseball has a ton of amateur leagues
NFL has none
Also the barrier to entry to the NFL physically is so much higher than the MLB
NFL has none
Also the barrier to entry to the NFL physically is so much higher than the MLB
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:18 am to EKG
Already covered the big ones - facilities, athletic department's dedication to the program, money, climate - but I'd like to throw in location and not just as it applies to climate, but location in relation to MLB scouting.
Florida and Arizona have spring training and rookie leagues, Arizona has their AZ Fall League, Florida has their own Low A league, and Florida has a collegiate wooden bat summer league.
Being located near all this infrastructure would make recruiting easier I'd think, especially if you're trying to draw in guys who have the option of signing as a >5th round draft selection or playing college ball.
Also, conference is important. If I could go from Rice to Texas A&M, I'd totally make that jump even though Rice has an impressive baseball pedigree.
Florida and Arizona have spring training and rookie leagues, Arizona has their AZ Fall League, Florida has their own Low A league, and Florida has a collegiate wooden bat summer league.
Being located near all this infrastructure would make recruiting easier I'd think, especially if you're trying to draw in guys who have the option of signing as a >5th round draft selection or playing college ball.
Also, conference is important. If I could go from Rice to Texas A&M, I'd totally make that jump even though Rice has an impressive baseball pedigree.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 9:21 am
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:20 am to EKG
Same for any job
1. Money
2. Culture
3. Security
1. Money
2. Culture
3. Security
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:26 am to EKG
I always thought the HC at Dallas Baptist, Dan Heefner does a really good job. Thought he'd have been lured away by now (jmho).
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:26 am to EKG
Pretty much all the same reasons a football, basketball or any other coach would consider it. You aren't asking about a coach leaving to coach another sport. Within each sport the curriculum is about the same, so that wouldn't be considered.
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