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re: If you had control, how would you set up the new 4 pod SEC adding UT and OU?
Posted on 7/23/21 at 3:20 pm to fr33manator
Posted on 7/23/21 at 3:20 pm to fr33manator
Have a feeling it’s going to be LSU / Arky and the MS schools…won’t complain if that happens
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Posted on 7/23/21 at 3:30 pm to JKChesterton
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Florida and UGA, which I would argue other than Bama/Auburn and UGA/Auburn is the 3rd most historical important rivalry in the SEC can't be played. That is not going to happen either.
Oh I don’t disagree with you at all. That’s the problem with pods in general. No way these issues can be solved without a permanent opponent in one of the other pods.
I still think eliminating divisions and giving everyone permanent opponents (NOT the same as the pod system) and rotating others is the most equitable, while keeping rivalries intact. Of course this entails 9 conference games.
Either
3 perm
6 for two years
Remaining 6 for two years
Or
6 perm
3 for two years
3 for following two years
3 for remaining two years
I like the first scenario because you play everybody home and away within 4 years. The second scenario plays everyone home and away within 6 years which is still better than we have now.
Top two records play in SEC title game.
This post was edited on 7/23/21 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 7/23/21 at 3:39 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
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Oh I don’t disagree with you at all. That’s the problem with pods in general. No way these issues can be solved without a permanent opponent in one of the other pods.
I still think eliminating divisions and giving everyone permanent opponents (NOT the same as the pod system) and rotating others is the most equitable, while keeping rivalries intact. Of course this entails 9 conference games.
Either
3 perm
6 for two years
Remaining 6 for two years
Or
6 perm
3 for two years
3 for following two years
3 for remaining two years
I like the first scenario because you play everybody home and away within 4 years. The second scenario plays everyone home and away within 6 years which is still better than we have now.
Top two records play in SEC title game.
Yes I agree the two scenarios you laid out could resolve the rival games.
I Have been pretty consistent on hoping we don't go to a West/East Division with LSU, Ole Miss and Miss. State matched with Texas, OU, Texas A&M, Arkansas, MIZZOU.
Scrap the Divisions, as you say top Two go to Atlanta, if you have say 3 8-1 teams, and head to head can't break the tie, you can use winning % of all other teams, 2 teams that beat teams with best Winning %, go to Atlanta.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 3:43 pm to fr33manator
I thought about doing North, East South Weat but I wndednup With a division made up of Vandy, Ark, Kentucky and Missouri and on made up of A&M, Texas, LSU and OU.
Didn’t seem too balanced Lol
Didn’t seem too balanced Lol
Posted on 7/23/21 at 3:51 pm to JKChesterton
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Scrap the Divisions, as you say top Two go to Atlanta, if you have say 3 8-1 teams, and head to head can't break the tie, you can use winning % of all other teams, 2 teams that beat teams with best Winning %, go to Atlanta.
Exactly…and even though I said I preferred the first scenario best, the second enables a lot of great matchups that maybe don’t have the historical cache of AU UGA, but are still crowd favorites. Ex. for LSU, I would pick Bama, UF, Aub, A&M, Ole Miss, Texas.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 3:51 pm to TigahJay
Pods:
I think what they'll do is realize there are 8 of the 16 teams that are at a level above the other 8. And they will put 2 in each 4 team pods.
This is my opinion here, but taking all sports into account LSU, Bama, Auburn, Texas, OU A&M Georgia and Florida are your major 8. No pod should have 3 of those or just 1.
So then you put your geography cap on and you get:
LSU. TA&M. Ole Miss. MissSt
OU. Texas. Mizzou. Arkansas
Alabama. Auburn. Tenn. Vandy.
Georgia. Florida. SC. Kentucky
Scheduling:
3 out of conference games
You play each team in your pod (3 games)
You play 2 teams in every other pod. 1H, 1A
- Next year you play the other two teams in that pod.
- The third year you play the same teams in year 1 but alternating Home and Away. That way you are guaranteed to play at every stadium in the SEC every 4 years
Playoffs:
Top 2 Pod winners face off in champ game
Tiebreakers being
- conf record
- H2H
- total record
- SOS for 3 non conf games
I think what they'll do is realize there are 8 of the 16 teams that are at a level above the other 8. And they will put 2 in each 4 team pods.
This is my opinion here, but taking all sports into account LSU, Bama, Auburn, Texas, OU A&M Georgia and Florida are your major 8. No pod should have 3 of those or just 1.
So then you put your geography cap on and you get:
LSU. TA&M. Ole Miss. MissSt
OU. Texas. Mizzou. Arkansas
Alabama. Auburn. Tenn. Vandy.
Georgia. Florida. SC. Kentucky
Scheduling:
3 out of conference games
You play each team in your pod (3 games)
You play 2 teams in every other pod. 1H, 1A
- Next year you play the other two teams in that pod.
- The third year you play the same teams in year 1 but alternating Home and Away. That way you are guaranteed to play at every stadium in the SEC every 4 years
Playoffs:
Top 2 Pod winners face off in champ game
Tiebreakers being
- conf record
- H2H
- total record
- SOS for 3 non conf games
Posted on 7/23/21 at 3:57 pm to JKChesterton
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Scrap the Divisions, as you say top Two go to Atlanta, if you have say 3 8-1 teams, and head to head can't break the tie, you can use winning % of all other teams, 2 teams that beat teams with best Winning %, go to Atlanta
That is extremely unsatisfying
We should just do 2 divisions. Send Alabama and Auburn to the East. OU, TX and Missouri to the west.
Maintains the UGA, Alabama, UT, Florida and Auburn rivalry games
UGA, Alabama, Fl and Auburn is maybe a little better foursome than UT, A&M, LSU and Ou but the West would have better depth.
This post was edited on 7/23/21 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 7/23/21 at 3:59 pm to purplepylon
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If you had control, how would you set up the new 4 pod SEC adding UT and OU?
Pods:
I think what they'll do is realize there are 8 of the 16 teams that are at a level above the other 8. And they will put 2 in each 4 team pods.
This is my opinion here, but taking all sports into account LSU, Bama, Auburn, Texas, OU A&M Georgia and Florida are your major 8. No pod should have 3 of those or just 1.
So then you put your geography cap on and you get:
LSU. TA&M. Ole Miss. MissSt
OU. Texas. Mizzou. Arkansas
Alabama. Auburn. Tenn. Vandy.
Georgia. Florida. SC. Kentucky
Scheduling:
3 out of conference games
You play each team in your pod (3 games)
You play 2 teams in every other pod. 1H, 1A
- Next year you play the other two teams in that pod.
- The third year you play the same teams in year 1 but alternating Home and Away. That way you are guaranteed to play at every stadium in the SEC every 4 years
Playoffs:
Top 2 Pod winners face off in champ game
Tiebreakers being
- conf record
- H2H
- total record
- SOS for 3 non conf games
Ok, lots of great discussion. But here are some parameters that I think the SEC is going to have to work with. Bama/Auburn, Florida/UGA, UGA/Auburn and Bama/TENN.
The PODS are you have them eliminate UGA/Auburn, that is not going to happen.
So come up with a POD, or give each team 3 Permanent games and play 6 in years 1 and 2, then 6 in years 3 and 4. You can play all teams in 4 years (home and home) and with 3 permanent games, you can keep all the main rival games in tact. Bama can play TENN, Auburn and MISS State, for example. Auburn would play UGA, Bama and Ole Miss
LSU would I assume get Florida, Texas A&M and Ole Miss.
Texas would play OU, Texas A&M and Arkansas.
This post was edited on 7/23/21 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 7/23/21 at 4:01 pm to purplepylon
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- The third year you play the same teams in year 1 but alternating Home and Away. That way you are guaranteed to play at every stadium in the SEC every 4 years
Yeah, frick all that.
I’d rather play marquee games like bama, auburn, Florida every year and then the lessers 1/4 than every team every other year.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 4:02 pm to LSURulzSEC
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frick the pod system...2 8 team divisions...east and west...
Cool. So we get to play Georgia every 8 years. That's fricking stupid.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 4:06 pm to SammyTiger
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That is extremely unsatisfying
We should just do 2 divisions. Send Alabama and Auburn to the East. OU, TX and Missouri to the west.
Maintains the UGA, Alabama, UT, Florida and Auburn rivalry games
UGA, Alabama, Fl and Auburn is maybe a little better foursome than UT, A&M, LSU and Ou but the West would have better depth.
I don't know how old you are, I am in my 50's but what you have done to LSU is put LSU in the old SWC/BIG8. Only 2 teams that are also charter members are Ole Miss and Miss. State.
So I am not a fan of what you are suggesting at all, sorry, just how I feel about it.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 4:08 pm to SammyTiger
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We should just do 2 divisions. Send Alabama and Auburn to the East. OU, TX and Missouri to the west
Just speaking from an LSU standpoint, it would be a bit disappointing to only see Bama, Fla and Aub in Tiger Stadium once every 8 years. (if that’s what you’re saying….I assume you mean a 7-2-2-2-2 rotation)
Posted on 7/23/21 at 4:12 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
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Just speaking from an LSU standpoint, it would be a bit disappointing to only see Bama, Fla and Aub in Tiger Stadium once every 8 years. (if that’s what you’re saying….I assume you mean a 7-2-2-2-2 rotation)
I think the best way to do this would be instead of playing 2 teams back to back, you play all 8 every 4 years and then switch locations the next 4
Not perfect but pods will be chaos.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 4:18 pm to SammyTiger
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I think the best way to do this would be instead of playing 2 teams back to back, you play all 8 every 4 years and then switch locations the next 4
Right, that’s what we do currently and it at least minimizes the time between meetings regardless of venue.
The nightmare scenario in my opinion would be if, for example, they decide LSU and Bama need to meet every year and go with a 7-1-1 format. That would mean a 14 year rotation. The current one is a 12 year and completely blows.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 4:22 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
It’s not ideal, but if you played 4 years you’d get to play every SEC team.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 4:33 pm to SammyTiger
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It’s not ideal, but if you played 4 years you’d get to play every SEC team.
OR here is how I would do pods:
Pair 2 pods up in a 3 year rotating cycle.
Play 3 games against your pod mates, 4 against the opposing pod, and 1 and 1 vs the other pods.
The two paired pods become a de facto division and the teams with the best conference recors between the each set
If paired pods goes to the SEC Game.
Is it dumb and over complicated? Yes?
But so are the pods
Posted on 7/23/21 at 4:51 pm to JKChesterton
If you go to pods play 9 game sec. 3 from your pod, 2 from pod 2; 2 from pod 3; 3 from pod 4; and rotate one from each pod every year. You only miss two team from each pod every year but wold rotate back in in 2 years
Posted on 7/23/21 at 4:56 pm to redstickrick
Play 3 from your pod ; 2 from each of the other pods and then rotate 2 from each pod would play each team every 2 years.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 4:59 pm to fr33manator
The OP's suggestion makes sense geographically but not competitively. It giver Oklahoma a free ride to the Pod championship every year. Switch LSU with Oklahoma and I would be fine with it. That won't happen though. If anyone would get switched with Oklahoma it would be Bama.
Posted on 7/23/21 at 5:09 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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With the amount of angst coming from Aggies that Texas is even joining the conference, I doubt they put them in the same division.
If it were up to me, I’d make sure they were in the same division just for that reason.
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