re: If Johnny Manziel doesn't win another Heisman, is it out of spite?

Manziels stats are so far ahead of everyone's stats ever they wont even tell you. For the love of god he sat out half of a game, then sat out the back half of a game. Dropped the most ever against the tide in its history.

anyone that doesn't understand that Sumlin can destroy the SEC recorded and is choosing not to is an idiot. Johnny can literally run the stats to he likeling. The word last year from this board was the SEC had the film now and he would be stopped. The truth is he can have his way with all of the SEC. He may not win, but if anyone gave him 3 D players they would wreck everyone.

Bottom line - this is the best QB to ever come along - ever. and everyone is having a hard time with that.

Sumlin could run his stats up so much farther thn anything the sec has eber seen but he is choosing not to. Give him some class. Bama knows this.

He let Ark off the hook for about 21 4th.

He is the best player. By a million miles.

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If you just go on pure stats Mariota is doing better.

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High stats against no name opponents do not count when ya can't get the dubya...

Right LSU?

Was mocking Oregon you semen swilling no name limey douchenheimer.

Damn, you're illiterate and retarded.

Griffin had 3 loss and Manziel 2 last year, so its really not necessarily a best man best team award,

if you look at the past 3 years, Newton, Griffin, JFF, the common link is all three players were on teams that massively passed their expectations.

A&M will need to beat LSU and everyone else they have left in order to meet or exceed expectations. In all likelihood that would send A&M to at large BCS game instead of cotton bowl, and I don't believe the voters will hold it against him that he lost to Alabama, who would probably be unbeaten and headed to a NC.

The only thing heisman voters want to avoid is another reggie bush, I don't see Manziel getting in any more NCAA trouble, NCAA isnt going to look at him again unless he did something absolutely ridiculous.

There are a lot more Quarterbacks who have been impressive this year than last, Manziel is in great shape to repeat, but lot o football left, should be an exciting storyline.

great year for college football!

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A young man from Allen may very well outdo Johnny Manziel's HS stats. He's already ahead of Manziel's JUNIOR YEAR stats.

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I expect Allen to be good, but the law of averages will likely prevent us from fielding consecutive QBs who transcend the game.

But just because I believe we won't be as good at the QB position doesn't mean I don't think we'll be elite at it. JFF stands on his own level. Allen can be several notches beneath him and still be very, very good.

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WAYYY more flops from the HS ranks top ranked or not at QB than successes....you're showing deep ignorance if you think it's a sure thing with Kyle Allen.

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Recruiting isn't a science. Nothing is guaranteed for any team at any positoin.

Each program rolls the dice on kids. And when it comes to QBs, Allen is our absolute best bet for 2014.

yes, if he doesn't get hurt and doesn't win it will be out of spite.

He is the most exciting and creative(and lucky)QB in the history of the game, if you don't think so, you aren't watching the games.

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Murray and McCarron are BOTH studs and are playing out of their minds. They, not JFF, should get the focus for Heisman.

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Look, i know i will get bashed for this, but Mettenberger has been more impressive than Murray and McCarron

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If you just go on pure stats Mariota is doing better.

High stats against no name opponents do not count when ya can't get the dubya...

Right LSU?

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But the argument is that Manziel won't win it out of spite. If Mariota puts up video game numbers like Manziel, which he is doing so far (and sitting out most of the 2nd half and not doing anything when his team is up big), then he would have just as much claim as Manziel. Last year you could say "he's doing it against SEC defenses" but I'm not sure that applies this year, and many SEC fans would agree. If Oregon goes undefeated, he has a valid argument

Miller is not winning it, as he already sat out 2 full games so his stats can't get him even close to the numbers he needs. He needed a 3K/1K type season with 35 total TDs to be in the convo

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Mettenberger had 1:47 to get his team a field goal. He failed. Murray took about that much time to get a needed touchdown.

LSU D > Georgia D is still the general consensus correct?

Mettenberger has not been more impressive than Murray. just stop.

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Ugh, look, i think they are equally as good. But watching the game saturday, the windows Mett was throwing the ball into were ridiculous. Murray was throwing to wide open receivers all day. This isnt Murrays fault at all, but it led to Mett looking more impressive. It doesnt mean Mett is better, because im sure Murray could have made those throws as well. And your last drive argument it a terrible one for anyone with football knowledge. With over 4 minutes left, you have your entire playbook still open. With 1:45, you can no longer run the ball