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I was glad to see Rhodes Scholar McElroy backpeddle on his ONLY conference champs in playo
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:11 pm
With Pitt, Northwestern and Utah playing for their conferences, the CFP could look like this
Alabama or Georgia
Pitt
Utah
Northwestern
He even said, yea that won't work.
Reece Davis had the best option. Do away with divisions, do away with conference championships and play a round robin where conference champs automatically get in and have 3 wildcards. If there is a tie then play the two best teams in a conference championship at the highest ranked teams campus the first week in Dec.
THEN and only then, can it be just conference champions.
Conference championships this year would be today
Alabama-Georgia
Ohio State- Mich
OKlahoma- WVU
Wash St.-Utah
Clemson-Syracuse
Alabama or Georgia
Pitt
Utah
Northwestern
He even said, yea that won't work.
Reece Davis had the best option. Do away with divisions, do away with conference championships and play a round robin where conference champs automatically get in and have 3 wildcards. If there is a tie then play the two best teams in a conference championship at the highest ranked teams campus the first week in Dec.
THEN and only then, can it be just conference champions.
Conference championships this year would be today
Alabama-Georgia
Ohio State- Mich
OKlahoma- WVU
Wash St.-Utah
Clemson-Syracuse
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Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:14 pm to TouchdownTony
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He even said, yea that won't work.
Yeah man it's so much better to rely on personal bias and arbitrary BS like the eye test
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:14 pm to TouchdownTony
I think The whole point of the playoff was rewarding teams who weregood but in tough conferences and divisions.
That being said it makes no sense to just pick 4/5 conferences and say suck it 5th conference we arbitrarily decided y’all sucked this year.
8 team play off.
5 conference champs.
3 At large. Auto Bid for top 10 G5 team.
This would work and honestly I still Think it would keep the games interesting. Conference championship ships would be defacto playoff games.
That being said it makes no sense to just pick 4/5 conferences and say suck it 5th conference we arbitrarily decided y’all sucked this year.
8 team play off.
5 conference champs.
3 At large. Auto Bid for top 10 G5 team.
This would work and honestly I still Think it would keep the games interesting. Conference championship ships would be defacto playoff games.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:16 pm to TouchdownTony
The biggest thing is getting rid of divisions. Quite frankly, conference championship games should probably go away too, play 9 or 10 conference games spread out across the entire league and get a true large sample size conference champ.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:25 pm to TouchdownTony
quote:So for the conferences that have 14 teams, you only play conference games, and on top of that they don't get a bye week?
Do away with divisions, do away with conference championships and play a round robin where conference champs automatically get in
Put the SEC in that scenario this year. You would have to play 13 games to get a full round robin (no OOC games, no cupcakes, no neutral site games). On top of that, if you have two teams that are tied (although if you played a true round robin one would have a head to head win over the other) that would be played on the normal SECCG date, where does the day for the 13th regular season game from - you have to eliminate the bye week. So a team could in theory have to play 14 straight weeks.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:26 pm to PJinAtl
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So for the conferences that have 14 teams, you only play conference games, and on top of that they don't get a bye week?
Put the SEC in that scenario this year. You would have to play 13 games to get a full round robin (no OOC games, no cupcakes, no neutral site games). On top of that, if you have two teams that are tied (although if you played a true round robin one would have a head to head win over the other) that would be played on the normal SECCG date, where does the day for the 13th regular season game from - you have to eliminate the bye week. So a team could in theory have to play 14 straight weeks.
Yea, I don't think you can play that many games. I do think you can lengthen the schedule out by a week and add an extra bye (plus there is no SECCG in this scenario). Play 10 conference games and 3 OOC games, and at that point you've got a pretty big data set of team vs team and total w/l records. And everyone will get to play everyone a whole lot more.
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:28 pm to SummerOfGeorge
If you get rid of conference championships, you might as well get rid of conferences, too. Conference championships give teams something to strive for in addition to playoff berths.
UGA didn't win the whole thing last year but at least we can brag about being the conference champions based on earning our spot and beating the representative from the other division.
UGA didn't win the whole thing last year but at least we can brag about being the conference champions based on earning our spot and beating the representative from the other division.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:36 pm to SammyTiger
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8 team play off.
5 conference champs.
3 At large. Auto Bid for top 10 G5 team.
So a four loss Northwestern would get in over a two loss LSU. No thanks
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:38 pm to TouchdownTony
We have already degraded the Bowl games by this 4-team playoff. Going to 8 teams will destroy the conferences and conference play, championships, unity... all for what? So that one day we can have a 10-2 team get lucky?
I liked it better with just two teams.. that left room for a lot of teams to end the season happy. Four is barely ok. Eight will ultimately degrade college football for no appreciable gain.
I liked it better with just two teams.. that left room for a lot of teams to end the season happy. Four is barely ok. Eight will ultimately degrade college football for no appreciable gain.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:43 pm to SammyTiger
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think The whole point of the playoff was rewarding teams who weregood but in tough conferences and divisions.
It was created because of the sec dominance at the time and Alabama and LSU being the two best teams in the country. They assumed this would ensure two sec teams couldn’t get in but we saw that collapse last year and that will likely lead to an expanded field of five conf champions and 3 at large. I’m cool with that just go back to 11 games and let’s all drop the fcs schools off our schedules and add as our 11 th game another opposite division sec team. Then we have the same number of games 15 if you make the playoffs. I think 16 games a season in college with school is too much.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:46 pm to craigbiggio
quote:what could be more arbitrary than just saying if you win your conference you are in the playoff regardless of how good your conference is?
Yeah man it's so much better to rely on personal bias and arbitrary BS like the eye test
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:49 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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The biggest thing is getting rid of divisions. Quite frankly, conference championship games should probably go away too, play 9 or 10 conference games spread out across the entire league and get a true large sample size conference champ.
I'm all for doing away with divisions.
I don't see the need to get rid of the conference championship game. Nor have I seen a legitimate argument against it (people say that Bama backdoored the playoff last season but they were one of the top 4 teams and a technical knockout shouldn't preclude them from the playoff. Nor should it have precluded UGA in 2007).
9 conference games is wrong on so many facets (especially with the conference championship game). The surge for this is mind boggling as the concept is pure trash.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:52 pm to labamafan
They could have just made a rule that only 1 team per conference can play for the Natty.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:53 pm to FooManChoo
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If you get rid of conference championships, you might as well get rid of conferences, too. Conference championships give teams something to strive for in addition to playoff berths.
UGA didn't win the whole thing last year but at least we can brag about being the conference champions based on earning our spot and beating the representative from the other division.
The conference championship existed for decades before we had a conference championship "game".
I'd rather play 2-3 extra SEC games and scrap the CG than stay at 8, never play the other division and have a CG.
The best compromise is to scrap divisions and play a CG with the teams that have the best record. However, that could lead to a whole lot more repeat matchups.
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:53 pm to StopRobot
LSU would be an at large team.
We’re #7
Winning your conference should mean something.
Yeah sometimes the best team won’t get in, but that happens in literally every playoff.
We’re #7
Winning your conference should mean something.
Yeah sometimes the best team won’t get in, but that happens in literally every playoff.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:58 pm to StopRobot
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So a four loss Northwestern would get in over a two loss LSU. No thanks
Not true
LSU would be an AT LARGE
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:59 pm to SammyTiger
True but that destroys the integrity of the game in the sense that you want the best teams playing for the title not because you won a bad conference like the pac 12 or ACC. If they want us to respect conf champs then all five should get a shot. Until then it will always be the eye ball test and still is concerning the three at large but at least conf champions are recognized and teams like LSU or Alabama had the regular season in 2011 played out with Bama winning 9-6 instead of LSU or like last year when Oh ST was left out.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:59 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I'd rather play 2-3 extra SEC games and scrap the CG than stay at 8, never play the other division and have a CG.
The best compromise is to scrap divisions and play a CG with the teams that have the best record. However, that could lead to a whole lot more repeat matchups
The 9th conference game would encourage repeat matchups as well.
Having 2 fresh teams who haven't played before in the SECCG (i.e. the biggest cross division game of the year) is a big reason why the SECCG is so exciting. It is why the NCG was so exciting as well.
The goal should be to find a feasible way to determine a CCG with 8 games but no divisions.
Remember: half of the conference is below average. UGA vs Vandy, Kentucky, Mizzou, etc.. does not need to be preserved on an annual basia (which the division format does). If we want to rotate cross-division more, there are better ways to do that than 9 conference games.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 1:02 pm to Jacknola
I agree, the playoff sucks.
It honestly might have been best pre bcs where you could celebrate several good seasons and then the fans could argue about who was best.
It honestly might have been best pre bcs where you could celebrate several good seasons and then the fans could argue about who was best.
Posted on 11/13/18 at 1:03 pm to meansonny
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Having 2 fresh teams who haven't played before in the SECCG (i.e. the biggest cross division game of the year) is a big reason why the SECCG is so exciting. It is why the NCG was so exciting as well.
The goal should be to find a feasible way to determine a CCG with 8 games but no divisions.
I guess the biggest issue there is figuring out how we are going to deal with the inevitable log jam for 1st and/or 2nd place. Less games means less head to heads and more 6-2 teams with no head to head. I guess you could go to some sort of "record vs the Top 6" or "computer formula rank" or something along those lines.
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