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re: How good was Jamarcus Russell?

Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:17 pm to
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
70882 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:17 pm to
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the ball had not been tipped when the interference occurred



Bingo, this was why it was a horrible reversal. The guy tackled Doucet long before the ball even got there
Posted by the_watcher
Jarule's House
Member since Nov 2005
3451 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:27 pm to
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Reason I asked is I've been in a couple of debates about who had the best arm as a qb. Jamarcus Russell is one of the few I've ever seen that might have had a stronger one than Bert Jones.

I'm glad someone posted this. About 7-8 years ago during Super Bowl week a reporter ask Belicheck who had the strongest arm he had ever seen during his 40 plus years of coaching. He immediately answered Bert Jones.

I know one of Bert's son's and Bert himself has said that the only person he has ever seen with a stronger arm than him was Jamarcus Russell

Posted by TailbackU
ATL
Member since Oct 2005
12237 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:38 pm to
He sizzurped Bama
Posted by Blanky6715
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2014
4378 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:52 pm to
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JR was never great in college. He was slightly good in the 2nd half of his final season. The only reason he went number 1 was because the Raiders had the first pick, and JR had 2 long pass plays against a lousy ND defense in the bowl game. If anyone else had that pick, JR would not have gone first.


Let the downvotes rain upon you. Dude was an absolute beast in college and by far one of the most entertaining qb's to watch at LSU. Love me some Matt Mauck though
Posted by tigerinridgeland
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2006
7663 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:00 pm to
He was for all practical purposes a fumble on the UF one yard line from playing for the SEC championship, with a strong chance of winning that game and playing for a national championship.
Posted by DonaldDuckworth
Florida
Member since Jul 2017
1508 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:19 pm to
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the ball had not been tipped when the interference occurred it was a bad call


From a rules standpoint, the rules do not differentiate for the timing. It might make a difference to you, but you don't make the rules. The ball was tipped, therefore it was not catchable, therefore it was not pass interference

From a fairness standpoint, what happened behind Eric Brock didn't matter at all… His tipping of the ball made it uncatchable. That's like the people that said Mt Cody should have been penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct when he blocked the kick against Tennessee for taking his helmet off while the play was still alive...moving Tennessee 15 yards closer and giving them another shot at the fieldgoal. It's a pussy perspective because he blocked the kick and won the game... The unsportsmanlike had nothing to do with the outcome of the play and would have only been a technicality… Pussy football
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 2:22 pm
Posted by rantfan
new iberia la
Member since Nov 2012
14110 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:21 pm to
All bullshite aside, he had a cannon for an arm and was big as defensive end.
His only problem was his goal was to make it to the NFL not to an NFL all pro.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 2:22 pm
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
86710 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:29 pm to
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From a rules standpoint, the rules do not differentiate for the timing. It might make a difference to you, but you don't make the rules. The ball was tipped, therefore it was not catchable, therefore it was not pass interference


False. Pass interference was called for contact prior to the ball being tipped in 2006 just as it is today. The SEC even admitted as much after the fact:

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Redding said pass interference can be called if the ball is tipped after the contact occurs, as it appeared to on the play.

The rule states only that an infraction occurs when the contact "could prevent the opponent the opportunity of receiving a catchable forward pass."


LINK

The league office's contention that the ball was made uncatchable by the tip is also false. If left unimpeded, Early Doucet clearly *could* have adjusted and made a play on that ball. Not 100% by any means but it could have happened. he was not given the opportunity to do so by the pass interference that occurred on the play.

Auburn got away with one. Admit it. Own it. Move on.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 2:35 pm
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
75558 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:35 pm to
I heard that he could throw the ball 80 yards while on his knees.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
39998 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:36 pm to
You’re retarded. He’s junior season was exceptional and he was in a pro style offense making proper reads and Big league throws.

I agree we, as fans have no idea of work ethic and intelligence but from what we as fans saw, he was an absolute stud. Heading to Oakland gave him no chance.
Posted by MyNameIsNobody
Member since Dec 2013
1174 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:39 pm to




Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
6794 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:41 pm to
Russell’s career completion percentage at LSU was a very respectable 61.7 percent, but it is nothing compared to his final Season as a Tiger when he completed 67.8 percent of his passes. To put that into perspective, Peyton Manning finished his career at Tennessee with a 62.7% completion percentage and he never exceeded 64.2%.

Unfortunately, JaMarcus Russell would miss the entire rookie training camp and not be in a Raider uniform until the first game of the season, due to a contract dispute between the team and JaMarcus’ rookie negotiating team. Making matters worse, then Head Coach, Lane "Quitter" Kiffin, despised JaMarcus Russell’s selection and seemed almost bent on his failure. It is safe to say that his rookie campaign was a disaster.

There was very little knowledge of Kiffin’s disdain for Russell or in the internal feuding with Al Davis in 2007. That changed after the season when Lane Kiffin fired Robb Ryan in an attempt to bring his father Monte Kiffin aboard and was scolded by Al for not consulting him first and was, thus, stripped of all power as Ryan was retained.

Unfortunately, for JaMarcus’ progress, due to the Kiffin/Ryan situation and many others, the Raiders Coaching staff fell apart in 2008. Not only did it fall apart, but, when Al Davis brought out his overhead projector to fire Lane Kiffin, it was Kiffin’s disdain for Russell that was brought into the spotlight and now Russell was square in the middle of the controversy. Surprisingly, JaMarcus had a decent season. He finished with 13 TDs and 8 INTs. Russell improved his QB Rating to a respectable, for a 22 year old, 77%.

In 2009, his weight ballooned to over 300 pounds. Russell posted a 50% rating in 2009 (5 points below his rookie level). Russell threw 11 Interceptions and only 3 Touch Downs.

Why?

The one person that stabilized young JaMarcus was his uncle Ray Russell. From the day that JaMarcus was drafted "Uncle Ray" was the one who was by his side and helping him deal with the NFL lifestyle. Unfortunately in April of 2009, Uncle Ray passed away. After losing his God Mother the year before, JaMarcus Russell was now, pretty much alone, with only his henchmen and entourage around. And I am sure there was a lot of pain as well.

The timeline of his failure in 2009 directly coincides with his Uncle’s death, so it's easy to see that it did play a role in his decline.

This is the sort of abyss that has led MANY to drug use. Things like this have led many astray and it's easy to see how the detachment and loss of touch with reality can be tied to drug use.

Jimbo Fisher:
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“His work ethic for us — everything I ever asked him to do, he did. He was smart.”

"The guy, for me, was wonderful,'' Fisher said. "He learned. He carried three- and four-play packages to the line of scrimmage. He changed protections, made multiple reads at the line of scrimmage. He was wonderful for me.

"Maybe it was the change in environment. He’s as talented a guy as I had, and he worked extremely hard for me and was fun to coach.’’

Fisher, like others, pointed to the passing of Russell’s mentor and Uncle Ray as a possible obstacle Russell struggled to get over.

“He is very talented and he is very intelligent,” Fisher said. “Intelligence isn’t an issue with him.”

Based on the pre-draft reports we remember, Russell’s football smarts were never a question.
Russell excelled at LSU. His failure came in the NFL. Intelligent people realize that his failure was caused by the death of his mentor, the chaos of the Raiders, and having too much, too soon, without maturity or guidance.
Posted by RoaringTiger33
Member since Jun 2011
567 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:11 pm to
He really wasn't that good. Physically talented, yes, but he had no head for the game. His reads were poor and his prep was worse. When the rumors started of him being a potential #1 overall pick, the resounding opinion of the non-drooling fan base was "really?"
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
39033 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:19 pm to
People keep talking about his big powerful arm; but he was also very consistent.

I believe he may have ended his career at LSU with the highest career completion percentage.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59740 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:50 pm to
They didn’t start using the qb draw with him until the end of the year when Fisher basically gave Miles the finger and opened up the offense. Had he been given that type of freedom and playcalling all season Cam would’ve been the next Russell. He was the most physically talented qb to ever play in the SEC. Mike Mayock said his combine was the most impressive he’d ever seen for a QB. He also like that purp a lot.
Posted by wareaglepete
Lumon Industries
Member since Dec 2012
14480 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:57 pm to
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
Member since Sep 2015
29411 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:59 pm to
Really good at LSU, but terrible in the NFL.
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
18609 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 4:01 pm to
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Best lean sipper to ever grace the south
RIP, Big Moe
Posted by ImayGoLesMiles
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Feb 2015
13259 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 4:29 pm to
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They didn’t start using the qb draw with him until the end of the year when Fisher basically gave Miles the finger and opened up the offense. Had he been given that type of freedom and playcalling all season Cam would’ve been the next Russell. He was the most physically talented qb to ever play in the SEC. Mike Mayock said his combine was the most impressive he’d ever seen for a QB. He also like that purp a lot.


All of this.
Posted by UAgrad93
Sylacauga
Member since Oct 2015
1516 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 4:36 pm to
I saw him compete in the 5A state track and field championships in the javelin! Warming up, he was throwing 175-180 ft with no run, just standing flat footed at the foul line!!
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