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CFFreak
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Hoping that Coach O and Ensminger have been learning
Something that really bugs me about Burrow is how elite he actually is and we only got that one season from him. For the life of me I cannot understand why we got extremely mediocre Burrow in 2018. I liken it my one of my friends who is a Bama fan but feels like they should have gotten more out of Tua than they did.

At any rate, I am hoping that O and Ensminger learned something from Brady that will allow for some continuity. We have a dismal offense for a number of years (mostly Miles' fault) and this hotshot kid shows up and sets our offense straight and then leaves after one year. I'm a little old school and I love defensive football but the game is no longer played that way. There's no way I believe Brady was a genius. We just haven't been looking for that kind of input from anyone until last season. We can do better year to year.

I don't know about other Tiger fans but I feel like LSU should be neck and neck with Bama or better. We should be doing better than 3 NC's in the last 20 years with the talent that comes through BR and goes on to the NFL.

If Burrow was that good in 2019 and made some of the throws he made last night, why did we not get that out of him in 2018? A lot of people think he was ok and then he just had some great summer camp in 2019 and got 10x better for the Texas game but I think that's BS. That kid was great before then.

College basketball has become a one and done type of deal while football now is ... get a QB with 2 years of eligibility left and then shows up to your program ... has an ok year (because of lack of coaching) and then has a great year left and is gone. Some of them you only get that one year. I'm greedy. I want more.
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Nitro Express
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re: Hoping that Coach O and Ensminger have been learning
LSU has been a top 5 program in the nation the last 20 years, and that's crazy good. Outside of the once in a lifetime run BAMA's on, it's hard to do better than what LSU has accomplished in the timeframe.

I don't think Burrow was bad in 2018, but he wasn't 2019 Burrow. The offense certainly didn't help him, but even if it was the same offense he had in 2019 I don't believe he'd of been the same player.

Joe was completely different in 2019, and it wasn't just the scheme. It was him. He was different. He must have worked his arse off to get ready for 2019. Maybe it was scheme that motivated him? Maybe it was being his last year? Who knows. Regardless of why, the man was a different human being in 2019.


Woodreaux
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re: Hoping that Coach O and Ensminger have been learning
Burrow was a scoring machine in the 2018 Aggies game. It had a million OT's (zebra's kept extending it), but Burreaux had 6 TD's. The evidence was there.


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TideSaint
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re: Hoping that Coach O and Ensminger have been learning
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Something that really bugs me about Burrow is how elite he actually is and we only got that one season from him.


I guess you just totally blocked out the 29-0 beatdown in Baton Rouge Joe's Junior year?

You didn't just get that one season from him. You had two.
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kajunman
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Joe was completely different in 2019, and it wasn't just the scheme. It was him. He was different.


2018 was the first time Burrow played under center. Props to O for changing the offense to what the players do best opposed to the other way around like Miles.


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bayou85
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Burrow's MJ-like drive for winning is his greatest ability.

Hopefully that rubbed off on Myles.


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Tigerpride18
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re: Hoping that Coach O and Ensminger have been learning
I think he meant under brady and the offensive shift


bamameister
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re: Hoping that Coach O and Ensminger have been learning
When everyone got on the bus after the natty, Orgeron should have offered the OC job to Joe Brady with a blank check and the power he could select his entire staff. LSU's biggest loss of the off-season and perhaps for years to come. Brennan is going to miss Brady more than last season’s OL.


Chuck Barris
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re: Hoping that Coach O and Ensminger have been learning
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I don't know about other Tiger fans but I feel like LSU should be neck and neck with Bama
Well yeah, of course you do.

"Why isn't LSU as good as Bama?" has been the overarching theme of this entire website since 1/9/12.


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RT1941
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Ed O was able to retain a lot of highly talented players and he sold them on staying for the '19 season. Burrow was fantastic, but the retention of guys that could've chosen to go pro and instead chose to stay played a big part in LSU's season as well.


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Keltic Tiger
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re: Hoping that Coach O and Ensminger have been learning
It's not difficult to understand why Burrow had the year he had in 2018. First & foremost, he only arrived on campus in mid to late July. Giving him a little over a mth to get to know his teammates ,the offensive system & the coaching staff. Too, as noted, he was placed under center for the first time in his athletic career. As for Brady being named OC after the NCG, at that time he had only been A coach for less than a year; he was a passing game consultant with the Saints.No coach gets that kind of promotion with less than a year's experience under his belt.


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Mankowski
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re: Hoping that Coach O and Ensminger have been learning
Shoulda, coulda, woulda. It’s a bitch ain’t it!


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167back
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re: Hoping that Coach O and Ensminger have been learning
Maybe it had something to do with LSU '18 offense only returning three starters. Two of which were Olinemen and the other was a TE. The WRs returned a combined 28 receptions. Maybe that was part of the problem, also.

Maybe it was because NO RB on the roster had rushed for 100 yards in '17. That's 100 yards for the entire season, not in a single game. NO RB on the '18 team had scored a collegiate rushing TD in their careers.

JoeyB didn't know all the offensive players names when practice started.

How that team finished #6 in the country is almost as big an accomplishment as winning the natty in '19.


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Scoob
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re: Hoping that Coach O and Ensminger have been learning
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When everyone got on the bus after the natty, Orgeron should have offered the OC job to Joe Brady with a blank check and the power he could select his entire staff. LSU's biggest loss of the off-season and perhaps for years to come. Brennan is going to miss Brady more than last season’s OL.

This is probably true, and hell, Orgeron might actually have done this. But Brady is ambitious and had already had some NFL experience, so I don't think it would have mattered.

It's kind of like saying LSU should have done more to keep Saban as the head coach. Saban wanted to coach in the NFL, so there was nothing you could do. He was going.
If Saban had gone to Alabama instead of LSU after Michigan State, he STILL would have left for the Dolphins.

Brady is the same thing. I suspect the only real change he'd have made, is that maybe he'd have gone to Cincy instead, to stick with Burrow. Or have gone somewhere else with a good QB to start with, instead of Carolina.


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SidewalkTiger
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re: Hoping that Coach O and Ensminger have been learning
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When everyone got on the bus after the natty, Orgeron should have offered the OC job to Joe Brady with a blank check and the power he could select his entire staff. 


He didnt want to be a college coach. This has been expounded on again and again.


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wadewilson
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re: Hoping that Coach O and Ensminger have been learning
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When everyone got on the bus after the natty, Orgeron should have offered the OC job to Joe Brady with a blank check and the power he could select his entire staff. LSU's biggest loss of the off-season and perhaps for years to come. Brennan is going to miss Brady more than last season’s OL.


Pump the brakes on that.

Brady is still unproven as a coordinator. He brought great ideas to LSU, but he didn't call the plays.


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SidewalkTiger
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In your head
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re: Hoping that Coach O and Ensminger have been learning
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For the life of me I cannot understand why we got extremely mediocre Burrow in 2018. 


Its pretty easy to understand.

It was E's first time as a full time OC in 20 years.

The offensive line was a turnstile.

Very little experience on the offensive side of the ball.

Burrow didnt spend the offseason with the team, thus didnt establish chemistry with the coaches or players.

Receivers dropped something like 10% of his passes.

Burrow seperated his throwing shoulder two days before the Alabama game and hurt his other shoulder later in the year.


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BLG
Alabama Fan
Alabama
Member since Mar 2018
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re: Hoping that Coach O and Ensminger have been learning
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I feel like LSU should be neck and neck with Bama or better. We should be doing better than 3 NC's in the last 20 years with the talent that comes through BR and goes on to the NFL.


LSU is closer to Texas A&M than they are to Alabama

NFL Players By College – Overall Top 10
For 2020 updated as of Week One and based on the 53-man roster, here are the top 10 colleges that have produced the most NFL players:

Alabama 56
Ohio State 50
LSU 41
Florida 39
Georgia 32
Penn State 32
Oklahoma 29
Clemson 29
Notre Dame 29
Iowa, Florida State, Washington 28
Stanford, Texas A&M 27


wadewilson
LSU Fan
Harrison County
Member since Sep 2009
24421 posts

re: Hoping that Coach O and Ensminger have been learning
You're ridiculous.


BLG
Alabama Fan
Alabama
Member since Mar 2018
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re: Hoping that Coach O and Ensminger have been learning
your LSU buddy commented about the NFL talent and somebody else compiled the list of NFL players per college. I just linked them both together, and in fact, LSU is closer to Texas A&M than they are to Alabama. In other words, your LSU friend is wrong.


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