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re: Homer musing of the day: Mac Jones will prove to be the best quarterback in this draft
Posted on 2/10/21 at 4:07 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Posted on 2/10/21 at 4:07 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
pfff hahahahahah Mac Jones?!?!
You mean the guy who had a perfect pocket every play, two heisman caliber receivers and a heisman caliber running back?
Yea, I'm real sure a struggling franchise is going to be able to give him all that.
Get real, he's going to be like every other tide QB in the league.
You mean the guy who had a perfect pocket every play, two heisman caliber receivers and a heisman caliber running back?
Yea, I'm real sure a struggling franchise is going to be able to give him all that.
Get real, he's going to be like every other tide QB in the league.
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Posted on 2/11/21 at 12:13 pm to mattloc
This prediction could come to fruition, if all the other OB's have career ending injuries in training camp.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 12:21 pm to SammyTiger
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Mac Jones reminds me of McCarron in a high powered offense.
Frick no. I'm an AJ fan, but no and here's two good reasons:
1 - AJ couldn't throw the deep ball worth a crap. He missed a lot of guys deep. Mac hardly ever misses deep.
2 - Mac makes faster, better decisions. Mac reads the D and pushes the ball downfield. He does a substantial amount less check down throws than AJ did. AJ checked down a lot. He also got flushed from the pocket more and would throw the ball out of bounds a lot more than Mac. Mac moves to stay in the pocket and make throws a lot better than AJ did.
Not knocking AJ one bit. He was a great player for BAMA and damn solid QB. Mac is just better in everyway.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 12:25 pm to mattloc
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Mac Jones will prove to be the best quarterback in this draft
I agree..........provided he gets drafted by the right franchise.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 12:26 pm to ColoradoAg
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Jones would be smart to come back for another year.
As a Bama fan, I agree completely. Mac isn’t ready to leave Bama.
Really Devonta Smith, Najee Harris, Alex Leatherwood, Patrick Surtain, and Christian Barmore could all stand to put a little more tape out there with another year at Bama if you ask me.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 12:30 pm to mattloc
I think Jones will do well, but he won't be surrounded by players that are better than any team they play.
Lawrence is freakishly talented and has the mental make up from football IQ, to intelligence to demeanor to continue to play at an elite level.
Zach Wilson seems like a Baker Mayfield type and I expect a similar level of success.
Lawrence is freakishly talented and has the mental make up from football IQ, to intelligence to demeanor to continue to play at an elite level.
Zach Wilson seems like a Baker Mayfield type and I expect a similar level of success.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 12:37 pm to BayouCowboy
Lawrence maybe a smart kid, but I don't see this amazing football IQ you speak of. He's not a great pocket QB. He has serious work to do developmentally. He's no Deshaun Watson. Watson was twice the player of Lawrence coming out of college.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 12:47 pm to mattloc
They do not play 7 on 7 in the NFL.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 12:52 pm to SammyTiger
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Mac Jones reminds me of McCarron in a high powered offense.
If he gets to spend 7+ years in the league holding a clipboard, playing a game for a living, and drawing $4 million a year to do it, good on him.
He played great for Bama, and I will always appreciate the year he put together and TEAM mindset he helped build in 2020.
I don't follow individual players in the Pros to a great degree. Hope they do well, but if they made a roster, they are already doing pretty well. Wish them well in life beyond that.
That said, OP is over the top on the projection. Maybe he will. Maybe he won't. Limited sample size to look at from college. He will compete though that is for sure. I think he slides into first round. McShay has the Bears trading up to 12 to get him after an early run on QBs. He has solid potential. Certainly wouldn't be the riskiest 1st RD pick. If you are a team on the back half of the first round in need of depth at QB and want someone with QB1 potential, I think you take him.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 1:06 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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He has never thrown anyone open. That's not how it's gonna be in the pros, baw. You have to throw guys open in tight windows or you are gonna flush out.
You want to know how I know you have no idea what you are talking about?
Posted on 2/11/21 at 1:13 pm to Nitro Express
[quote]Lawrence maybe a smart kid, but I don't see this amazing football IQ you speak of. He's not a great pocket QB. He has serious work to do developmentally. He's no Deshaun Watson. Watson was twice the player of Lawrence coming out of college.[quote]
That might be a slight exaggeration. Watson was a great QB and has proven that in the NFL as well, but in 3 seasons, the same as Trevor, he had 2 more TDs, but 14 more INTs.
Watson was certainly relied upon more to be the entire Clemson offense and he gets credit for that. He had twice the rush yardage and 26 TDs; however, Lawrence did have close to 1000 yards and 18 TDs.
I'd put them very close as far as talent coming out of college with probably an edge to Watson, but that still projects Lawrence as a guaranteed long term franchise QB.
That might be a slight exaggeration. Watson was a great QB and has proven that in the NFL as well, but in 3 seasons, the same as Trevor, he had 2 more TDs, but 14 more INTs.
Watson was certainly relied upon more to be the entire Clemson offense and he gets credit for that. He had twice the rush yardage and 26 TDs; however, Lawrence did have close to 1000 yards and 18 TDs.
I'd put them very close as far as talent coming out of college with probably an edge to Watson, but that still projects Lawrence as a guaranteed long term franchise QB.
This post was edited on 2/11/21 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 2/11/21 at 1:15 pm to mattloc
Honestly, predicting how successful a QB will be in the pros has to be one of hardest things to do. Or more like biggest gambles.
Tons of high rated guys end up sucking and people that go low in the draft end up superstars.
Mac may end up being awesome, he also may end up sucking. He may fall somewhere in between, just really hard to tell.
The game requires so much mental ability at that level along with the physical that's just about impossible to predict, imo.
And on top of all that, you have to factor in how good of a team they end up on.
Tons of high rated guys end up sucking and people that go low in the draft end up superstars.
Mac may end up being awesome, he also may end up sucking. He may fall somewhere in between, just really hard to tell.
The game requires so much mental ability at that level along with the physical that's just about impossible to predict, imo.
And on top of all that, you have to factor in how good of a team they end up on.
This post was edited on 2/11/21 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 2/11/21 at 1:21 pm to Herman Frisco
quote:bama fans everybody.
And that makes my Johnny tingle every time I think about that.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 1:35 pm to BayouCowboy
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Zach Wilson seems like a Baker Mayfield type and I expect a similar level of success
Good comparison. Lots of people sleeping on him, but I think he's got a good skill set to be successful relatively early on.
I'll be the first to admit that I thought Baker was a wasted No. 1 overall pick and wouldn't win anything in the league. But it only took him 3 seasons to prove me dead wrong
Posted on 2/11/21 at 1:41 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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1. Jones has only started 16 games in college. That's not enough. Mitch Trubusky, who was a top-5 pick, only started 13, and we see how that's turned out. TLaw, by compariso, started over 40 games in college as well as close to another 40 in high school, he started as a freshman at Cartersville. QB's w/those few starts usually don't make it in the pros.
This is your only legit take...but many here have Jamar Chase as an NFL star ofc one year. He may/probably will be but people have such a bias for the hyped but not all - especially in hs- develop at the same rate. I saw Mac play in HS and said he would never see the field in tuscaloosa. Too skinny and not enough arm. He is no longer HS Sr Mac. No he didn't start but he has battled a really good practice squad (see your #2 pt) and grew into the position. He has been handed nothing
2. He has the best players at every position surrounding him. He has never had to elevate lesser talent around him(the thing Brady has made a career of) b/c he has been surrounded by 5 stars everywhere.
Can be said of Clemson UGA OSU LSU
But he has also faced the best defenses
3. He has thrown in nothing but wide open windows, again, b/c of #2 above. He has never thrown anyone open. That's not how it's gonna be in the pros, baw. You have to throw guys open in tight windows or you are gonna flush out
This is hogwash. This alone tells me you saw highlights on sportscenter. Yeah there were a lot of plays to b open players but there were plenty ...more than plenty of throws...enough to know it wasn't a fluke where the ball could not be thrown any better. Metchie dropped half dozen or so because i think he was surprised that the ball was there. He can throw a 45yd deep ball as well as any one. There was a pass against Michigan last yr. Standing in the endzone..he threw a shallow out to the right sideline that was just incredible. It happened right in front of me and i can tell you that window was inches wide.
Don't be fooled by the "he has been a star since HS" touting "experts" Mac is a late bloomer but the kid has it
Posted on 2/11/21 at 1:43 pm to Vestigial Morgan
There’s a better chance that Jones isn’t the best qb drafted out of the sec west this year than he’s the best qb in the draft.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 1:47 pm to mattloc
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Bill Belichick said the first thing he looks for in a quarterback is intelligence .
Posted on 2/11/21 at 1:50 pm to Solo Cam
"Grandma, what big dreads you have." 
Posted on 2/11/21 at 2:14 pm to jodeaux
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pfff hahahahahah Mac Jones?!?! You mean the guy who had a perfect pocket every play
There is no way you watched Mac Jones play football. You’re just repeating shite you’ve read on this abortion of a sports board. I can find 10 highlight videos full of plays where he’s avoiding a rush or getting drilled as a he releases a perfect pass. You’re dumb.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 2:18 pm to Vestigial Morgan
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This is your only legit take...but many here have Jamar Chase as an NFL star ofc one year.
It is very different for QBs and there is a long track record to prove it. QBs with one year of college starting experience historically translate poorly to the NFL.
I have no idea if Jones will be good in the NFL or not, but this is a real thing with lots of statistical evidence to support it. It will end up being the big knock on Trey Lance in this QB cycle as well.
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