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re: ‘Godfather’ of college football Roy Kramer weighs in on 12-team expanded playoff
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:16 am to finchmeister08
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:16 am to finchmeister08
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#5 OSU vs #12 Washington = Good Football in my opinion.
This is just where there's a fundamental difference between both sides.
I don't think that's good because I don't think washington should even have the chance to be in the game. They lost twice, including to a woefully bad 3-9 ASU team. Also lost to a 3-loss UCLA although if you wanted to really argtue you could call that a "good loss". A team that hasn't and won't win anything of substance at all that lost 2 games to teams with a combined 12 losses just doesn't scream "deserves a national title shot" to me.
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Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:46 am to FlexDawg
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Roy Kramer
tGOAT of SEC Commissioner's.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:49 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Do you think 2017 Auburn would have won 3 games away from Jordan Hare against Top 5 teams? I don't.
I don’t either, but as an Auburn fan, I wouldn’t want Auburn to be given the chance. CFB has always had a “perception” hurdle before getting into the playoff. Like Bama this year - they’d probably get to the final game of a 12 team tournament. I bet they could win it. But do they deserve it? For what we celebrate CFB for being?
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:02 pm to TrussvilleTide
Yikes, you can't really be that dumb?
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Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:07 pm to FlexDawg
quote:so, does the team that wins the division the best team in the conference? the regular season is essentially a round-robin 7-team tournament.
But as Kramer points out, making college football more of a tournament sport doesn’t necessarily reward the best team.
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:10 pm to FlexDawg
Roy hasn't thought this through...while I think 12 is too many (I wanted 5, 6 or 8 max), the expanded playoff takes some power away from biased humans that have historically awarded titles to schools or picked the few teams that would compete for the title...eg, see Alabama's bogus title list...
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Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:10 pm to AG87
I hope it brings more parity to the sport. It has become boring.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:18 pm to finchmeister08
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that's subjective
True. But we could quantify it. It wouldn't be difficult to set a line in the sand as to what a competitive game really is.
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#5 OSU vs #12 Washington = Good Football in my opinion
@ washington. Sure.
@ ohio st. frick no
Georgia beat #7 Tennessee 27-13 (was 24-6 at the half).
Georgia beat #15 Oregon 49-3
Georgia beat #25 @Miss St 45-19
Georgia faces #11 LSU on Saturday
Are any of these good football games?
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:34 pm to FlexDawg
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“I’m not sure there are more than four teams really worry of being national champions.”
This is the dumbest logic.
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But you really are the tournament champion. Are you the best team in the country? Not necessarily.
maybe not, you are the best for that tournament but I think with 12 it will be more accurate to find the best team each year. 4 is too small.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:34 pm to FlexDawg
I love the playoffs and like that it’s moving to 12.
CFB was the only sport that didn’t have a playoff and was long over due to incorporate one. Always felt 4 was too small of a grouping it’s freakin hard for teams to be damn near perfect to make top 4. So much luck or bad luck goes into that for teams during the regular season. Scheduling / injuries / weather etc.
The thought process of..,
That’s old school thinking from when the AP crowned a NC before bowl games. Hey, you went undefeated during the regular season youre the best…even though you didn’t play the top teams.
Everyone is ok with every other playoff system in HS / college / professional sports…but don’t like it in CFB.
CFB was the only sport that didn’t have a playoff and was long over due to incorporate one. Always felt 4 was too small of a grouping it’s freakin hard for teams to be damn near perfect to make top 4. So much luck or bad luck goes into that for teams during the regular season. Scheduling / injuries / weather etc.
The thought process of..,
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I’m not sure there are more than four teams really worry of being national champions.”
That’s old school thinking from when the AP crowned a NC before bowl games. Hey, you went undefeated during the regular season youre the best…even though you didn’t play the top teams.
Everyone is ok with every other playoff system in HS / college / professional sports…but don’t like it in CFB.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:43 pm to bstew3006
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Always felt 4 was too small of a grouping it’s freakin hard for teams to be damn near perfect to make top 4.
Ummm. That is kind of the point.
And the biggest reason why each game mattered so much.
With a 12 team playoff, the UGA vs Tennessee game was just an exhibition game.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 1:25 pm to FlexDawg
I agree totally with him, and in this format, the top 4 should have a first round bye.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 1:31 pm to meansonny
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Ummm. That is kind of the point. And the biggest reason why each game mattered so much.
Always felt 4 was too small of a grouping it’s freakin hard for teams to be damn near perfect to make top 4. So much luck or bad luck goes into that for teams during the regular season. Scheduling / injuries / weather etc.
Left that section out, huh
By your logic:
NFL / MLB / NBA should just have conference championships
March madness should just start at elite 8?
College baseball at supers?
There’s no downside to expanding. In fact, this will make the closing weeks for the top 20 that more important for teams that had untimely injuries etc.
It’s going to be fantastic.
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With a 12 team playoff, the UGA vs Tennessee game was just an exhibition game.
Awww poor baby doesn’t like the idea of a rematch.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 1:33 pm to FlexDawg
I still think a team in the top 4 will win the natty the majority of the time. If you look at the lower divisions, how many cinderella national champions or even finalist have you seen? It's teams in the top 5 that are playing in the FCS/D2/D3 finals.
In basketball, you can get hot for a weekend and shoot lights out to survive and advance. You just cant do that in football.
In basketball, you can get hot for a weekend and shoot lights out to survive and advance. You just cant do that in football.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 1:35 pm to FlexDawg
I don't disagree with him but why is he not dead? I assume he meant "worthy" and not worry.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 1:39 pm to bstew3006
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. So much luck or bad luck goes into that for teams during the regular season. Scheduling / injuries / weather etc.
Left that section out, huh
It was someone else you responded to but I mean, your point about it being hard is silly. It's supposed to be hard. IT shouldn't be easy peasy for everyone to amke the aplyoffs. As for your point about luck and weather and injuries, so what? You coudl literally have a 2 game season and some team would get hit wiht teh injury bug and another would have to deal with either 100degree heat or torrential rain. That's part of playing football and isnt' relevant to the topic.
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By your logic:
NFL / MLB / NBA should just have conference championships
we're talking abotu colelge football, not professional sports leagues. The pros have a much smaller pool of teams and they are forthe MOST part on equal footing since every person playing is one of the best on the planet at that sport. Ther'es a shite ton more parity and there's a ton more games to flesh out who should and shouldn't make the playoffs.
With colelge football, where there isn't as much parity, after a 13 game season it is quite obvious which teams are at the top and desrve a title shot. And if you're 12th, it aint you.
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There’s no downside to expanding
of course there is, it means regaulr season games that once meant a ton that you circled the calendar for are now irrelevant. If you can lose 3 games and still make the playoffs, that's devaluing.
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With a 12 team playoff, the UGA vs Tennessee game was just an exhibition game.
Awww poor baby doesn’t like the idea of a rematch.
The poster addressed your question with a very valid retort, and your response is this chickenshit.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 1:42 pm to FlexDawg
And the anti playoff crowd continues to melt
Posted on 12/1/22 at 1:46 pm to meansonny
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With a 12 team playoff, the UGA vs Tennessee game was just an exhibition game.
So you would've been fine losing then?
Posted on 12/1/22 at 1:49 pm to PerrillouxToTexas
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So you would've been fine losing then?
Who wants to lose an exhibition game?
Longhorns?
Posted on 12/1/22 at 1:53 pm to WG_Dawg
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was someone else you responded to but I mean, your point about it being hard is silly. It's supposed to be hard. IT shouldn't be easy peasy for everyone to amke the aplyoffs
Nothing easy peasy about making top 12. But carry on
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we're talking abotu colelge football, not professional sports leagues. The pros have a much smaller pool of teams and they are forthe MOST part on equal footing since every person playing is one of the best on the planet at that sport. Ther'es a shite ton more parity and there's a ton more games to flesh out who should and shouldn't make the playoffs.
Ahh, so skipped the part about you accepting Match Madness / 64 college baseball teams.
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course there is, it means regaulr season games that once meant a ton that you circled the calendar for are now irrelevant. If you can lose 3 games and still make the playoffs, that's devaluing.
Wrong, it actually puts more emphasis on those games at the end. But, to take your point…if those games you circled and both team OUT of top 4…then the games been devalued, right?
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chickenshit
You’re a bitch made boy
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 1:54 pm
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