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re: ‘Godfather’ of college football Roy Kramer weighs in on 12-team expanded playoff
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:43 am to VolNavy98
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:43 am to VolNavy98
Kirby is not against transfers , he just doesn’t like the free for all every year and he has a point. Do you realize how many enter the transfer portal and end up ending their college football career. Not yo mention their free education? I have no problem with someone transferring schools and I don’t think they should have to sit a year. But it’s really sad for all the kids who think the grass is greener and never even find another yard to play in.
Kirby’s also not against NIL, UGA has a huge collective. They use it for their current players. They don’t promise dollars to come to the school and play; they tell them there are NIL opportunities they have access to once they are there. It’s up to the player to show their worth and generate NIL on their own merritt. You know , how it was envisioned. Not a free hand out solution. I don’t know, but I’m pretty sure Saban is on the same page as well.
By the way have you seen the current Recruiting rankings?
Pretty sure the top recruits see the difference.
Now I do think most of the fans who are against expansion seem to be UGA, Bama, OSU, and Clemson fans. Even though many of them argue that it’s bad for the regular season and all kinds of other excuses. I think, it’s because they don’t want a harder path.
My issue has always been there are 131 teams. There’s not enough common opponents to actually know if an unbeaten team is the best team. The final 4 is not telling you who the best team is, it maybe telling you who’s deserving based on their record. That’s not the same thing. If the top 2 teams were beating the brakes off teams 3 & 4 every year. Then I would be like there’s no reason to expand.. that’s not happening.
Number 4 has won the tile as many times as number 1. Each twice. Number 3 has won it once and played for it 4 of the 8 times. So if 3 & 4 can beat 1 and 2; how is it not possible for other upsets.
I firmly believe the playoffs, while there will be blowouts and upsets in the first 2 rounds. The semi finals will be between the best 4 teams and the championship will be the best team in the country hands down! Finally!
I don’t understand how people don’t see that the games in November will be so much more meaningful. So many more teams in play..
Why wouldn’t you want that?
Kirby’s also not against NIL, UGA has a huge collective. They use it for their current players. They don’t promise dollars to come to the school and play; they tell them there are NIL opportunities they have access to once they are there. It’s up to the player to show their worth and generate NIL on their own merritt. You know , how it was envisioned. Not a free hand out solution. I don’t know, but I’m pretty sure Saban is on the same page as well.
By the way have you seen the current Recruiting rankings?
Pretty sure the top recruits see the difference.
Now I do think most of the fans who are against expansion seem to be UGA, Bama, OSU, and Clemson fans. Even though many of them argue that it’s bad for the regular season and all kinds of other excuses. I think, it’s because they don’t want a harder path.
My issue has always been there are 131 teams. There’s not enough common opponents to actually know if an unbeaten team is the best team. The final 4 is not telling you who the best team is, it maybe telling you who’s deserving based on their record. That’s not the same thing. If the top 2 teams were beating the brakes off teams 3 & 4 every year. Then I would be like there’s no reason to expand.. that’s not happening.
Number 4 has won the tile as many times as number 1. Each twice. Number 3 has won it once and played for it 4 of the 8 times. So if 3 & 4 can beat 1 and 2; how is it not possible for other upsets.
I firmly believe the playoffs, while there will be blowouts and upsets in the first 2 rounds. The semi finals will be between the best 4 teams and the championship will be the best team in the country hands down! Finally!
I don’t understand how people don’t see that the games in November will be so much more meaningful. So many more teams in play..
Why wouldn’t you want that?
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Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:27 am to WG_Dawg
All it is, straight money grab. What would Oregon, Utah, Penn State, Washington, K State, etc, have any business being with Georgia, Michigan, and other deserving teams in January? They should’ve kept it at four. Imagine if this season, with the twelve team format, teams on the cusp of that top 4, Ohio State and Alabama, do not deserve to sniff the playoff either. Gives it less prestige and sure an upset can happen, but the format is also changing because the ratings, I don’t foresee many more playoffs dominated by a Clemson or Alabama, with the same matchups, hell look at TCU and USC. This would be the highest rated playoff in sometime I imagine, should the top four stay the same.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 7:54 am to 3rddownonthe8
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The expanded playoff is going to cause College Football to have a boost in following nationally and worldwide.
Lol
Now who is in the clouds.
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Yell at clouds now all you want, 3 years from now you’ll finally GET IT!
Bookmark this.
If three years with the new playoffs... the same "top 4" teams finish in the finals every season, then the experiment wasn't worth it.
My guess is that once every 10 years, you will have a team from 5-12 in the finals. And that isn't worth turning the regular season into the NBA.
I can admit if I'm wrong. But a 64 team playoff is pointless if the same top 4 teams are in the finals. That concept holds true at 12 or 8 or 6.
The utter stupidity of the playoffs (and everyone saw this coming) is that a 4 team would expand. And in a few years, you will have idiots asking to expand 12 teams because those 13 and 14 spots are so close. The next thing you know, you are having March madness/MLB where you have a "play-in" game to get into the playoffs. Human nature is to continually expand (right or wrong) and never to contract (right or wrong).
Posted on 12/2/22 at 7:59 am to 3rddownonthe8
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Now I do think most of the fans who are against expansion seem to be UGA, Bama, OSU, and Clemson fans. Even though many of them argue that it’s bad for the regular season and all kinds of other excuses. I think, it’s because they don’t want a harder path.
It is an easier path for UGA, Bama, Clemson, and OSU.
The top 2 teams from each of those conferences is in.
Saban at Bama would win more championships with an expanded playoff. Not fewer.
The expanded playoff also helps teams with more depth (see uga, Bama, and Ohio state).
The thrill of college football is walking the tight rope as long as you can until you fall off or make it to the other side. Eliminating the importance of the regular season (i.e. top 2 to 3 teams from those conferences are in) eliminates the thrill and just puts it in hold for the post season. You will have games where players sit to stay healthy and fresh. It will happen.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 8:57 am to meansonny
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Bookmark this. If three years with the new playoffs... the same "top 4" teams finish in the finals every season, then the experiment wasn't worth it.
I will. And you will admit you are wrong…. You may not like that the SEC isn’t winning it all the time, but you’ll be wrong!
And if you think the same 4 teams will be there every year , then why have 131 teams. Let’s go to 20 teams, because in the current playoff that’s where we are headed
Posted on 12/2/22 at 9:31 am to 3rddownonthe8
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You may not like that the SEC isn’t winning it all the time, but you’ll be wrong!
Lol
It has nothing to do with UGA or the SEC. It is the process for determining #1.
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And if you think the same 4 teams will be there every year , then why have 131 teams.
Reading is fundamental.
I didn't say it is the same 4 teams.
I said that the top 4 (which changes every year) will determine the top 2 in the finals. If teams 5-12 don't make the finals, then we are pissing away the regular season for no reason.
College football is not professional sports. Talent is loaded at certain schools. And those schools will continually be in the top 4.
And those schools will have the depth to win an expanded playoff.
And when teams 5 through 12 aren't in the finals, we can ask why the hell did we frick up the regular season for this?
Posted on 12/2/22 at 9:43 am to FlexDawg
Who cares what Kramer thinks? He had his time and got it wrong with his fraudulent BCS formula. The BCS did not give us a concensus champion, which is partially how we got to the 4 team sham we have now.
I don't know what the magic number is (8, 12, etc) for college football, but we will never know who the best team is without an actual playoff.
Back to your creamed corn old frick.
I don't know what the magic number is (8, 12, etc) for college football, but we will never know who the best team is without an actual playoff.
Back to your creamed corn old frick.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:08 am to meansonny
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If teams 5-12 don't make the finals, then we are pissing away the regular season for no reason.
If this happens , you’ll be correct.. however, the current playoff has already shown that the top 2 teams aren’t guaranteed the championship game. #3 has played for the title half the time 4 of 8 and the #4 team has played for it twice winning both times. The number 1 seed has only won it once.
While there is an excellent chance that seeds 12-9 get eliminated in the first round, there will absolutely be 8-5 seeds upsetting 1-4 seeds and go to the sem finals. Look at how many times a team has lived on a fraud if a schedule yo be ranked 1 or 2 and get hammered in the SF. This will make those frauds earn the SF round. There will be less blowouts in the SF and championship.
Your not running the regular season , your validating it.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:30 am to 3rddownonthe8
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Kirby’s also not against NIL,
Kirby flat said he does not believe players should be getting paid. Those are his words no one else.
Exact Words of Kirby Smart.
What I can't accept is some young man getting $10,000 a month for four years or three years of college? That's $120K a year. What do you think he's doing with that? Is that actually gonna make him more successful in life? Because, I promise you, if you handed me $10K a month my freshman year of college, I probably wouldn't be where I am today. I believe that."
But it’s ok for him to make millions but not the players. Hmmm
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:35 am to 3rddownonthe8
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While there is an excellent chance that seeds 12-9 get eliminated in the first round, there will absolutely be 8-5 seeds upsetting 1-4 seeds and go to the sem finals. Look at how many times a team has lived on a fraud if a schedule yo be ranked 1 or 2 and get hammered in the SF. This will make those frauds earn the SF round. There will be less blowouts in the SF and championship.
Your not running the regular season , your validating it.
If the games for teams 5-12 were home games against the higher ranked teams, then I could see chaos.
But they won't be.
Home field in college is a 6 point swing at minimum. For a team like UGA, it is a 10 point swing.
There may be underdogs winning games, but the finals will still be teams originally in the top 4.
College football doesn't have the parity at the top like other sports.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:39 am to VolNavy98
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Kirby flat said he does not believe players should be getting paid. Those are his words no one else.
Words if Kirby Smart.
What I can't accept is some young man getting $10,000 a month for four years or three years of college? That's $120K a year. What do you think he's doing with that? Is that actually gonna make him more successful in life? Because, I promise you, if you handed me $10K a month my freshman year of college, I probably wouldn't be where I am today. I believe that."
But it’s ok for him to make millions but not the players. Hmmm
Kirby's stance is the same stance taken by the NFL [a very, very large institution that refuses to pay 18, 19, and 20 year olds because they (a large enough percentage to matter) won't handle money well. And when they don't handle money well, they will be in police blotters and lawsuits. And that tarnishes the shield].
Knowing the problem, we have dedicated resources on top of resources to help the student athletes for their own benefit.
The NFL still hasn't caved in for some reason.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 7:30 pm to meansonny
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Kirby's stance is the same stance taken by the NFL [a very, very large institution that refuses to pay 18, 19, and 20 year olds because they (a large enough percentage to matter) won't handle money well.
This is factually wrong. The NFL don’t pay 18,19 and 20 year olds because if a rule that is meant to protect them safety wise. It has nothing to do with money. You also have to be out of high school for 3 years before eligible for the NFL. Rookie contracts are large sums of money and the better the play the more money they get.
If you graduate at 17 years old, that means you must wait until you are 20 to enter the NFL draft. If you graduate when you are 18, you will need to wait until you turn 21. This rule helps ensure that players are physically and mentally prepared to be part of the NFL.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 12/2/22 at 7:52 pm to finchmeister08
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duh. that's the point. protecting the Bamas, Georgias, Michigans, and Ohio States of the world is bull shite. if they really are the best teams in the nation, they shouldn't really worry about playing 1 extra post-season game if they make the top-4.
You do worry when you lose one or two of your key playmakers in that meaningless "extra post season game" aka a blowout against a dog shite team that doesn't deserve to be on the field with your second string, much less a playoff.
What's bullshite is thinking a 12th ranked joke like Cincinnati deserves a shot at Georgia. And you're a goddamn phag for supporting this homoerotic bullshite.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 8:25 pm to FlexDawg
That’s a pretty damn strong interview for a 93 year old.
CSB story about Kramer. He was commissioner of the SEC when my wife worked there. We lived outside of Bham at the time. June 17, 2000, my wife gets a call from Kramer saying “I know your husband is an LSU fan and I’m headed up to Omaha for the CWS final game. If you meet me at the hangar, you’re welcome to come.” We drive to the airport, catch the Buffalo Rock (big SEC sponsor) private jet to Omaha, get a police escort to the stadium, watch my Tigers win in a thrilling comeback over Stanford for the CWS championship, police escort back to the airport, private jet back to Bham, and drive home. Omaha CWS trip as a day trip. Thanks Commissioner Kramer.
CSB story about Kramer. He was commissioner of the SEC when my wife worked there. We lived outside of Bham at the time. June 17, 2000, my wife gets a call from Kramer saying “I know your husband is an LSU fan and I’m headed up to Omaha for the CWS final game. If you meet me at the hangar, you’re welcome to come.” We drive to the airport, catch the Buffalo Rock (big SEC sponsor) private jet to Omaha, get a police escort to the stadium, watch my Tigers win in a thrilling comeback over Stanford for the CWS championship, police escort back to the airport, private jet back to Bham, and drive home. Omaha CWS trip as a day trip. Thanks Commissioner Kramer.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:14 pm to VolNavy98
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The NFL don’t pay 18,19 and 20 year olds because if a rule that is meant to protect them safety wise.
Lol. You post "factually wrong" and then make shite up. Lol
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It has nothing to do with money
It has everything to do with branding. The nfl didn't get as big as it is without making big steps towards protecting the shield. That includes not allowing kids just out of high school to play in the nfl. Immaturity and money don't mix well. It is 99% the reason (the other 1% is the nflpa knowing that the kids would take less money and increase the pool of athletes hurting the players' bottom line). But if the nfl wanted the kids, they would take them (like they did when they started allowing juniors to declare).
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 11:15 pm
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