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re: Games holding up the SEC from going to a 9 team yearly schedule.

Posted on 11/22/18 at 12:17 am to
Posted by 19
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Posted on 11/22/18 at 12:17 am to
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You stupid Bama frick.

Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
59921 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 1:09 am to
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1) we aleady have a 9th game and it is the best in the ncaa (CCG). It is truly the only 9th game that matters.





So... what you're saying is, the SEC needs to add a 10th conference game like the Big Ten, Pac 12, and Big 12?
Posted by jawjaTiger
Brunswick, GA
Member since Aug 2018
1565 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 1:13 am to
Really screwing the other 10 teams royally.

No need for that.

Self-centered much?
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
68600 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 2:24 am to
I think it has less to do with competition but more with administrators not wanting to lose a home game every other year. And for the teams that have OOC rivals it could mean having a season with only 5 home games. But at the end of the day it’s all dollars and cents. They flat out don’t want an unbalanced home/away schedule every other year

And yes, as a fan, I hate it. I’m 100% for a 9 game schedule
This post was edited on 11/22/18 at 2:26 am
Posted by DawgTired
Member since Jul 2018
691 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 4:02 am to
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FWIW: I'm also only 23, so the older UGA contingent might disagree with me


I'm 59-years-old, a 1982 grad of UGA, and I could care less if we continue to play Chop Block U. I would much rather replace Tech with Clemson.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 11/22/18 at 5:30 am to
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And thus, allowing everyone in the SEC to actually play each other in the SEC on a yearly basis:

Georgia/GA Tech
Florida/FSU
South Carolina/CU
Kentucky/UL

All are basically meaninglessness games, but it is insisted upon that they add these meaningless games each year.

As a result, you get the whole..."but WE have to play a big team from another conference" argument.

No you dont.

This is why we can't get along as far as schedules go in the SEC.

Maybe scrap these games or scrap one of your cupcakes and add them instead.

Be fair to the rest of the teams in your actual Conference.

Fascinating misread... Tell us more about your ignorance.

Interesting tidbit about that list of irrelevant games. All of the ACC teams have finished as many or more seasons in the last decade ranked in the AP top 25 than; Arkansas, Miss State, and Texas A&M. Ga Tech is one behind Ole Miss, but we know what it took for them to get there...

If your primary goal in bitching is about playing all the teams more often, there is not a better solution than The Roommate Switch.

We would play every team in the conference home and away at least once within four years...

But... As was alluded to earlier in the thread. The SEC has no real impetus to make scheduling changes... It's still viewed as the top conference for now. If that perception changed, then you might see real movement.
This post was edited on 11/22/18 at 5:33 am
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 6:03 am to
Imo, the SEC should add a 9th conference game and should also ban playing FCS opponents. It's somewhat of a head scratcher to me that the SEC commisioner seems so set against doing it.

Key reasons for those two changes include:
(1) Stronger resumés to help ensure the SEC's inclusion in the CFP;
(2) Larger slate of appealing games to boost TV and attendance revenues;
(3) Enhanced appeal for higher-payout bowls and lucrative neutral-site games.

Imo, the best format is to keep the cross-division fixed opponents and rotate two of the other six every year, playing one stronger and one weaker. Bama example:

Cross-division rotation
2019: vsSC, atTN, atKY
2020: atGA, vsTN, vsVB
2021: vsFL, atTN, atMO
2022: atSC, vsTN, vsKY
2023: vsGA, atTN, atVB
2024: atFL, vsTN, vsMO

With that rotation format, all SEC teams would play a 9th quality SEC team every year instead of an FCS team. They'd play all cross-division teams much more often, and players would get to play all cross-division teams at least once. They don't now.

In order to have the same number of home games each season, teams can schedule their P5 OOC games so the home sides fall during the seasons they have the extra SEC away game.

It would be challenging to rework all the SEC teams' schedules equitably so that no teams get stuck with unfair stretches, etc., but it can be done.

For the SEC teams that now play a late season FCS game, put the weaker cross-division game there. That would be enough of a "breather" opponent.

SEC teams worried about adverse impact on bowl eligibility can compensate by scheduling three OOC teams they know they can beat.

Some people have mentioned that the FCS game provides the ability to economically take their family to a game every season. But there would still be home games vs G5 teams each season that they could economically attend.

I really don't know the financials, but it seems like replacing 14 SEC vs FCS home games with 14 SEC vs SEC home-away games would boost attendance and TV revenues by more than enough to offset one less home game every other year, considering that two years' FCS rent-a-win payouts would be eliminated.

The B1G, PAC12 and BigXii play 9 conf games and at least 1 P5 OOC team. Only the SEC & ACC play 8 conf games. Playing FCS teams is a bad look and weakens all SEC teams' resumés, especially with only 8 conf games. The B1G has banned playing FCS teams.

Tbh, the SEC vs FCS games suck and really should be replaced by a 9th conf game. If implemented properly, it makes much more sense than the status quo does.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 6:16 am to
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But I don't understand the UGA GT game. GT is a complete joke and shows zero want to improve moving forward. It's such a weird game to care about from where I'm sitting.


Tech beat Georgia in 2016 & 2014
Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 6:19 am to
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ames holding up the SEC from going to a 9 team yearly schedule.


There's only one coach that wants a 9 game conference schedule and he doesn't live in Auburn.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60624 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 6:36 am to
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But I don't understand the UGA GT game. GT is a complete joke and shows zero want to improve moving forward. It's such a weird game to care about from where I'm sitting.




Couldn't the same thing be said about Auburn? but you still care about that rivalry, right?
Posted by SquirrelyBama
Member since Nov 2011
6389 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 6:40 am to
Bama tries to schdule one tough OCC game a season, but Saban still campaigns for having 9 SEC games. Even if we went to 9 SEC games, I believe Saban/Bama would still schdule tough opening OCC game....

That extra SEC game shouldn't prevent those programs from scheduling end of the year rivalry games. Now, the extra SEC game could make getting 6 needed bowl wins tougher for certain programs, but that's another long story....
This post was edited on 11/22/18 at 6:41 am
Posted by Bubbles Up
Member since Jul 2011
2910 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 7:28 am to
OP: is your next thread going to be about how A&M should play tu annually?
Posted by Mizzou4ever
Kansas City, Mo
Member since Nov 2011
15284 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 7:54 am to
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Just give up one of the Cupcakes.
Simple solution
Posted by XenScott
Pensacola
Member since Oct 2016
3660 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 8:05 am to
How about only wins losses count are the games in your own division. You must schedule cross divisional games but they don’t count against you as far as conference record. You must play 2 but you can schedule another if you want to. I think it will give a better division champ.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30812 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 8:15 am to
Another fricking thread on this?
10 conference games--1 P-5 game(solves your problem)--1 cupcake (if desired)....problems solved!
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26005 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 8:28 am to
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Key reasons for those two changes include:
(1) Stronger resumés to help ensure the SEC's inclusion in the CFP;

Adding a 9th game does not improve the strength of schedule for 2 reasons.
1) it is more of the same. Half of the conference is below average. UGA whipping on Arkansas or Vanderbilt does not help our strength of schedule. It hurts it.
2) you are hurting the strength of the conference by guaranteeing 7 more losses on everyone's record.

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(2) Larger slate of appealing games to boost TV and attendance revenues;


This can be done out of conference. UGA has played at Notre Dame, at Clemson, at Colorado, at Oklahoma State, at Arizona State all on top of our home and homes with GA Tech.
You do not improve this quality scheduling by forcing us to play Ole Miss and Arkansas more often and stacking an additional loss on Ole Miss and Arkansas while doing so.

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Enhanced appeal for higher-payout bowls and lucrative neutral-site games.

What? The SEC already has the most lucrative bowl season. It won't get more lucrative because of a 9th conference game. If anything, you may be pushing a team out of bowl contention
(i.e. less lucrative).

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With that rotation format, all SEC teams would play a 9th quality SEC team every year instead of an FCS team. They'd play all cross-division teams much more often, and players would get to play all cross-division teams at least once. They don't now


You don't need a rule against FCS opponents. Just tell your AD to stop scheduling them. The reality is that it is difficult to fill home only slates on the schedule.
UGA just played FBS UMass. To get the home only game, we tied in a home and home for the basketball season. These home and homes are costing more and more each season. Striking the FCS completely off the table will jack up the price of having a UMass come out (supply/demand). Having the FCS as a backup may be a necessity (this will be one if the unintended consequences from idiots whose ADs can't solve their own scheduling and so people clamor for less local control and more rules and restrictions from a governing body. Who in their right mind voluntarily gives up rights and freedoms so a larger body can punitively enforce a standard with unintended consequences).

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For the SEC teams that now play a late season FCS game, put the weaker cross-division game there. That would be enough of a "breather" opponent.

People will always complain. UGA played FBS UMASS and we got called out by Joe Klatt in the same sentence as Bama playing FCS Citadel. Never mind the facts. There will always be a worst game on the schedule and there will always be bitching.

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Some people have mentioned that the FCS game provides the ability to economically take their family to a game every season. But there would still be home games vs G5 teams each season that they could economically attend.


You really don't understand the economics of games. All games cost the same. Some season ticket holders are more willing to get rid of seats without a profit for games that are not a priority. Home against Vandy, Arkansas, etc.. is still not a priority. It is affordable to grab conference "cupcakes" just like the OOC ones.

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i really don't know the financials, but it seems like replacing 14 SEC vs FCS home games with 14 SEC vs SEC home-away games would boost attendance and TV revenues by more than enough to offset one less home game every other year, considering that two years' FCS rent-a-win payouts would be eliminated.



You don't understand them at all.
Right now, the conference plays 112 games each year (14 teams play 8 conference games = 56 games. and 14 teams play 4 OOC games = 56 games. Totals 112). Going to a 9 game conference schedule only plays 105 games each season. (14 teams play 9 conference games = 63 games. 14 teams playing 3 OOC games = 42 games. Totals 105 games).
You just made 7 games of TV, radio, and potentially home games disappear into thin air. And you aren't necessarily making the games better. Just more of the same (half of the teams in the conference are below average).
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The B1G, PAC12 and BigXii play 9 conf games and at least 1 P5 OOC team. Only the SEC & ACC play 8 conf games. Playing FCS teams is a bad look and weakens all SEC teams' resumés, especially with only 8 conf games. The B1G has banned playing FCS teams.

If the issue is FCS, then why do people bitch when UGA plays UMass? Because the media and people will find a reason to bitch. You won't stop it. There will always be a weakest team on the schedule. There will always be a 2nd weakest team on the schedule.

The focus should be on the toughest OOC games. The focus is on the wrong spot. How tough can you make your top 1, 2, or 3 OOC games. But people and the media are too lazy to make that comparison.

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Tbh, the SEC vs FCS games suck and really should be replaced by a 9th conf game. If implemented properly, it makes much more sense than the status quo does

Tbh, no.
The weakest game on every schedule sucks. It doesn't matter if it is FCS, FBS, or Arkansas. You can't eliminate that.

The unintended consequences aren't worth it when ADs can just schedule better for their fans.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26005 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 8:36 am to
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Just give up one of the Cupcakes.
Simple solution



Define cupcake. Because right now, Arkansas fits that description.

When you schedule an opponent to come to your stadium without a return visit.... that is not a good team. It doesn't matter if it is FCS, FBS, or P5. Only crappy teams will agree to that.

Instead of focusing on that definition of cupcakes, wouldn't make more sense to focus on the toughest OOC opponent?

Isn't this common sense?

Then we can focus on the 2nd toughest OOC opponent.

Wouldn't that be logical?

You compare resume's from the top down. Not the bottom up.

But then what would people do for america's favorite pasttime (bitch and complain)? They will still bitch and complain. It is what the media and low brow people do.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 8:42 am to
I don't know which is worse in that reply, your reading comprehension or thinking (logic, math).
This post was edited on 11/22/18 at 11:55 am
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26005 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 8:43 am to
Help me out.
Pick one spot where I can be corrected and let's have a discussion.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 11/22/18 at 8:44 am to
I'll pass. Happy Thanksgiving!

This post was edited on 11/22/18 at 10:17 am
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