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re: Foxsports looks into the LHN
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:17 pm to TSipper
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:17 pm to TSipper
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1) You had the President of Missouri issue an almost immediate statement declaring Missouri's interest in the 12 spot for the Big 10. 2) Tom Osborn and Nebraska, still smarting over 1 second in the Big 12 title game and just the general degradation of their program over 15 years, throws Nebraska's hat in the ring for that 12 spot. So, now you have a Nebraska vs Missouri battle for one spot with Nebraska selling 50 years of football tradition and Missouri selling TVs, an arena named after a plagiarist and a bunch of meth 3) One June 11th, Nebraska joins the Big 10.
Just wow! So much angst from the aggies!
1: It was the Dumbass Democratic Governor of Missouri, Missouri does not have a President.
2: The Nubs took a Jr. member(ship) up the arse that Mizzou has already declined.
3: Mizzou got the Golden Ticket by joining the SEC.
Willie be very happy!
Try again fool!
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Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:18 pm to TSipper
quote:how in all frick is that moving the goal posts?
But that's moving the goal posts.
quote:right, and he was under the impression that would be dropped once texas and a&m entered into the PAC 16. it turned out that at the end of all of the negotiations, that texas was not going to drop it, so the whole thing fell apart.
No doubt Larry Scott knew about ESPN's interest in a Texas/Texas A&M channel
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:19 pm to WestCoastAg
WCA,
Again, WCA, if you're going to participate in this debate, you HAVE TO have your timeline right. To flippantly say 2010 or 2011, when everything was tense in 2010 and broken in 2011, does the conversation a disservice.
Beebs going on the Finebaum show in fall 2010 to openly discuss A&M to the SEC is important because he was a BoT member and a very outspoken one at that.
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we had been open as early as 2010 we were not happy with the big 12 situation. i believe it was either at big 12 media day in 2010 or 2011 that we were ok with things as they currently were. then schools left, then the LHN became a thing, then we realized the LHN was going to try to show high school games, and we realized we had to do everything we can to get out.
Again, WCA, if you're going to participate in this debate, you HAVE TO have your timeline right. To flippantly say 2010 or 2011, when everything was tense in 2010 and broken in 2011, does the conversation a disservice.
Beebs going on the Finebaum show in fall 2010 to openly discuss A&M to the SEC is important because he was a BoT member and a very outspoken one at that.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:21 pm to WestCoastAg
WCA,
In 2010, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE LONGHORN NETWORK! That was a spring 2011 thing, LONG after the Pac-10 deal had died on the vine.
After A&M goes to the SEC, OU and Okie Lite revisit the Pac-12 about joining without Texas. They are told no and Texas isn't yet ready to give up it's shiny new toy just because OU and Okie Lite are unhappy.
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right, and he was under the impression that would be dropped once texas and a&m entered into the PAC 16. it turned out that at the end of all of the negotiations, that texas was not going to drop it, so the whole thing fell apart.
In 2010, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE LONGHORN NETWORK! That was a spring 2011 thing, LONG after the Pac-10 deal had died on the vine.
After A&M goes to the SEC, OU and Okie Lite revisit the Pac-12 about joining without Texas. They are told no and Texas isn't yet ready to give up it's shiny new toy just because OU and Okie Lite are unhappy.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:22 pm to Ridgewalker
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2: The Nubs took a Jr. member(ship) up the arse that Mizzou has already declined.
Any credible link reflecting this statement?
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:22 pm to skrayper
Goodbye to Texas University...
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:22 pm to TSipper
quote:and it was openly known by 2010 that we were not happy with the situation that was happening in the big 12. i have no idea what youre trying to prove here
Beebs going on the Finebaum show in fall 2010 to openly discuss A&M to the SEC is important because he was a BoT member and a very outspoken one at that.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:23 pm to TSipper
quote:just because you didnt have it, IT DOESNT MEAN THAT THE THE WHOLE IDEA WAS ALREADY IN MOTION. dear fricking god. are you in all sincerity trying to act like the whole reason why the pac move didnt work is because of mother fricking baylor? ann richards isnt in office anymore to save their asses
In 2010, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE LONGHORN NETWORK! That was a spring 2011 thing, LONG after the Pac-10 deal had died on the vine.
This post was edited on 5/17/15 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:29 pm to WestCoastAg
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and it was openly known by 2010 that we were not happy with the situation that was happening in the big 12. i have no idea what youre trying to prove here
You agreed to stay in 2010 after the Pac-10 deal died. You have a member of your BoT going on regional SEC radio talking about how great it would be for A&M to be in the SEC. If Beebs was just another alumni/fired coach, nobody would care. But he was a member of your BoT, which means his opinion cares significantly more weight than that of an alum/fired coach.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:32 pm to WestCoastAg
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just because you didnt have it, IT DOESNT MEAN THAT THE THE WHOLE IDEA WAS ALREADY IN MOTION. dear fricking god. are you in all sincerity trying to act like the whole reason why the pac move didnt work is because of mother fricking baylor? ann richards isnt in office anymore to save their asses
Of course we were looking at all avenues for revenue increases. The economy was falling apart, Tom Hicks was broke (see Texas Rangers and Liverpool) and we didn't know how much of a hit the rest of our BMAs had taken. It would have been irresponsible to NOT look for a dollar where a dollar could be found.
We spoke with the Big 10 and Pac-10 before the LHN and couldn't make it work because of Tech and/or Baylor. We spoke with the ACC post-LHN in the fall of 2011 and they had just signed a new deal with ESPN giving ESPN total control of their tier 3 rights and they felt the LHN wouldn't work. Again, this is just how business is done.
But by fall of 2011, the Big 12 was dead, CU, Neb, Missouri and A&M had all left or were leaving and none of that was because of us.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:34 pm to TSipper
I'm just happy with the way everything finally worked out.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:36 pm to TSipper
quote:and? just because we agreed to stay, it doesnt mean we were happy with the situation at all. after the pac thing fell apart over the LHN, it took the conference giving texas, a&m, and OU more money than everyone else just to keep it all together
You agreed to stay in 2010 after the Pac-10 deal died. You have a member of your BoT going on regional SEC radio talking about how great it would be for A&M to be in the SEC. If Beebs was just another alumni/fired coach, nobody would care. But he was a member of your BoT, which means his opinion cares significantly more weight than that of an alum/fired coach.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:37 pm to TSipper
quote:before it was launched you mean. not before the idea of it had already begun and was already being put in motion
We spoke with the Big 10 and Pac-10 before the LHN
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and couldn't make it work because of Tech and/or Baylor.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:40 pm to WestCoastAg
WCA,
No offer had been made. At this point, we don't know what kind of offer - if any - ESPN would make as A&M had already balked at fronting half the costs for the deal.
I have to believe that when ESPN came to DeLoss in spring of 2011 with the same 20-year, $300mill offer, the folks in Bellmont Hall were shocked. To get the same money without A&M that was offered with A&M, that was a big curveball.
$Bill is left with egg on his face as a deal he turned down ends up being financially lucrative to his biggest rival and the rest is history.
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before it was launched you mean. not before the idea of it had already begun and was already being put in motion
No offer had been made. At this point, we don't know what kind of offer - if any - ESPN would make as A&M had already balked at fronting half the costs for the deal.
I have to believe that when ESPN came to DeLoss in spring of 2011 with the same 20-year, $300mill offer, the folks in Bellmont Hall were shocked. To get the same money without A&M that was offered with A&M, that was a big curveball.
$Bill is left with egg on his face as a deal he turned down ends up being financially lucrative to his biggest rival and the rest is history.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:41 pm to TSipper
quote:dear god. how you think this means anything is beyond me
No offer had been made
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:44 pm to TSipper
I know you're an alter. (No sip would call themselves a sip)
However, it's funny how you gloss over the fact that Byrne turned down a scenario where we paid half the operating cost for 30% or less of the profit. No manager in their right mind would accept that deal without a significant incentive.
However, it's funny how you gloss over the fact that Byrne turned down a scenario where we paid half the operating cost for 30% or less of the profit. No manager in their right mind would accept that deal without a significant incentive.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:45 pm to TSipper
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the rest is history
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:50 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
CGSC,
Was in the old horse shoe in '95 when we broke A&M's home winning streak as Ricky ran the ball up your rear sideways and John Mackovic won the last SWC crown and the first Big 12 Crown.
I then ran out on the field as your cadets punched chicks over astro turf. Class bunch the corps at A&M.
You're going to have to link that because everything I've heard was that it was 50-50 both costs and revenues.
Again, Sport Aggy owed Book Aggy $16mill (do you still owe them money, or have you at least paid them back) and $Bill didn't want to shell out $2.5mill.
That was probably a sound decision, until he had to go tell Bowtie that Texas got $300mill for tier 3 rights while A&M was going to have to make due with $100k. Any wonder $Bill got ran out of CS?
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I know you're an alter. (No sip would call themselves a sip)
Was in the old horse shoe in '95 when we broke A&M's home winning streak as Ricky ran the ball up your rear sideways and John Mackovic won the last SWC crown and the first Big 12 Crown.
I then ran out on the field as your cadets punched chicks over astro turf. Class bunch the corps at A&M.
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However, it's funny how you gloss over the fact that Byrne turned down a scenario where we paid half the operating cost for 30% or less of the profit. No manager in their right mind would accept that deal without a significant incentive.
You're going to have to link that because everything I've heard was that it was 50-50 both costs and revenues.
Again, Sport Aggy owed Book Aggy $16mill (do you still owe them money, or have you at least paid them back) and $Bill didn't want to shell out $2.5mill.
That was probably a sound decision, until he had to go tell Bowtie that Texas got $300mill for tier 3 rights while A&M was going to have to make due with $100k. Any wonder $Bill got ran out of CS?
This post was edited on 5/17/15 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:53 pm to WestCoastAg
WCA,
Obviously, the idea of "poles in the water" whether it comes to fishing, AD revenue or women is a foreign concept to you. I have no doubt we were talking to anybody and everybody at this point, but again, no offer had been made.
The conspiracy theory I actually believe is that ESPN overpaid Texas so as to guarantee cost certainty with the Pac-10 and ACC TV deal. ESPN was already going to save money with the death of the Big East, so overpaying Texas kept the Big 12 together, which allowed Skipper and the boys to focus on other things.
As I am not a fan of the LHN, I hope it dies a quick and horrible death.
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dear god. how you think this means anything is beyond me
Obviously, the idea of "poles in the water" whether it comes to fishing, AD revenue or women is a foreign concept to you. I have no doubt we were talking to anybody and everybody at this point, but again, no offer had been made.
The conspiracy theory I actually believe is that ESPN overpaid Texas so as to guarantee cost certainty with the Pac-10 and ACC TV deal. ESPN was already going to save money with the death of the Big East, so overpaying Texas kept the Big 12 together, which allowed Skipper and the boys to focus on other things.
As I am not a fan of the LHN, I hope it dies a quick and horrible death.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:53 pm to TSipper
Actually, the A&M athletic department, circa 2006 owed $16 million, which was all paid off by 2010.
Lets not let facts get in the way of a good diarrhea spray.
And Byrne was run out of town because he tried to make decisions that were not his to make.
Unlike certain schools, we don't let an asshat AD make presidential and BoR decisions.
Lets not let facts get in the way of a good diarrhea spray.
And Byrne was run out of town because he tried to make decisions that were not his to make.
Unlike certain schools, we don't let an asshat AD make presidential and BoR decisions.
This post was edited on 5/17/15 at 8:56 pm
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