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Posted on 5/17/15 at 7:41 pm to TSipper
Holy Novel Batman!
Posted on 5/17/15 at 7:54 pm to EKG
EKG, real quick, does Sport Aggy still owe Book Aggy money, or did y'all finally pay that debt back?
Posted on 5/17/15 at 7:56 pm to TSipper
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4) At the same time with the rest of the conference, Texas, Baylor, A&M, Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are all being wined and dined by the Pac 10 because the Pac 10 needs/wants a new massive TV deal and adding TV sets is historically the way to do this.
Wow, you couldn't get far before you started making up complete lies. Not just stretching the truth.
Texass behind everyone's back was talking to the PAC 10. It's been documented numerous times and then Larry Scott called out Powers for it. Specifically for lying to him about Texas A&M's knowledge or lack of knowledge of Powers conversations with Scott
You discredit yourself so quickly when you immediately start with lies
This post was edited on 5/17/15 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:02 pm to skrayper
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Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:02 pm to TSipper
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7) The Pac-10 deal dies on the vine because neither Texas nor Texas A&M had any great desire to leave Baylor behind and because the division format was going to be too unwieldy with CU, the Big 12 south minus Baylor and the Arizona schools in an 8 team division.
Dies on the vine because Larry Scott called the president of tu a liar and said texas university could not be trusted. AFTER he found out Powers had been lying to him for months:
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:03 pm to Old Sarge
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Wow, you couldn't get far before you started making up complete lies. Not just stretching the truth.
Texass behind everyone's back was talking to the PAC 10. It's been documented numerous times and then Larry Scott called out Powers for it. Specifically for lying to him about Texas A&M's knowledge or lack of knowledge of Powers conversations with Scott
You're going to have to link that because everything I've ever heard about this was that Dodds, $Bill and Joe Castiglionie at OU were in lock step about this. Obviously, if you're an Okie Lite, Tech or Baylor fan, you could feel left out.
Remember, OU, Texas and A&M (along with Nebraska) were the 4 schools that had the highest percentage of TV payout each season. With Nebraska gone and Texas knowing that it will need A&M's support to either force Baylor on the Pac-10 or tell the Texas state legislature to f off if/when Baylor is left behind, why would we go behind your back?
I know that it's a common Aggy delusion to believe that, but then again, couldn't I make the same delusional comment that Aggy was going behind our back to the SEC?
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:03 pm to TSipper
quote:uhhhh you mean the pac thing died because larry scott realized you werent going to can the LHN. he was under the impression a PAC 16 texas network was going to be established
7) The Pac-10 deal dies on the vine because neither Texas nor Texas A&M had any great desire to leave Baylor behind and because the division format was going to be too unwieldy with CU, the Big 12 south minus Baylor and the Arizona schools in an 8 team division.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:06 pm to Old Sarge
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Dies on the vine because Larry Scott called the president of tu a liar and said texas university could not be trusted. AFTER he found out Powers had been lying to him for months.
Lying to him about what, exactly? I've seen you type that before and it seems to be your go to move, but I am curious as to what Larry Scott believes we lied about.
Do you honestly believe we were any less truthful with Scott than we were with President Gee at Ohio State when the Big 10 came calling? We told Gee then that in order to get A&M and Texas, they had to make room for Tech because we had a "Tech problem" or else we couldn't go further. So, if we were honest to the point of embarrassment with Ohio State, why would we not be honest with the Pac-10?
Again, Aggy delusion is both painful and hilarious at the same time.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:07 pm to TSipper
quote:we share the costs and only get a minority portion of the profits. how stupid of us to say no to that!!!!!!
8) In spring of 2011, Texas announces the LHN with ESPN for…20 years, $300mill for 3rd tier rights. So, two schools were originally approached, one school said no
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:08 pm to TSipper
quote:outright lying? probably not. lying by omission? hell fricking yes
Do you honestly believe we were any less truthful with Scott
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:08 pm to TSipper
West Coast Ag,
If you're going to get involved with this, you better get your timeline right. The Pac-10 negotiation for the Big 12 south was 9 months before the LHN deal was finalized. Meaning, their was no LHN when Larry Scott came calling.
After A&M left for the SEC, both OU and Okie Lite approached the then Pac-12 (2011) about joining, but the Pac-12 had no interest unless Texas was coming too. At that point, the LHN did exist and we were not going to give it up. But again, A&M had already bailed for the SEC, so it wasn't your concern.
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uhhhh you mean the pac thing died because larry scott realized you werent going to can the LHN. he was under the impression a PAC 16 texas network was going to be established.
If you're going to get involved with this, you better get your timeline right. The Pac-10 negotiation for the Big 12 south was 9 months before the LHN deal was finalized. Meaning, their was no LHN when Larry Scott came calling.
After A&M left for the SEC, both OU and Okie Lite approached the then Pac-12 (2011) about joining, but the Pac-12 had no interest unless Texas was coming too. At that point, the LHN did exist and we were not going to give it up. But again, A&M had already bailed for the SEC, so it wasn't your concern.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:10 pm to WestCoastAg
WCA,
Were y'all truthful about the inquiries Beebs made to Mike Slive on A&M's behalf? I mean, I did hear him on the Finebaum show in fall 2010 all but begging for the SEC and A&M to happen. Now, why would Beebs do that?
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outright lying? probably not. lying by omission? hell fricking yes
Were y'all truthful about the inquiries Beebs made to Mike Slive on A&M's behalf? I mean, I did hear him on the Finebaum show in fall 2010 all but begging for the SEC and A&M to happen. Now, why would Beebs do that?
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:10 pm to TSipper
LHN. Lol what a total failure
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:11 pm to texag7
Texag7,
That I will agree with 100%. Not a fan of it at all.
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LHN. Lol what a total failure.
That I will agree with 100%. Not a fan of it at all.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:12 pm to TSipper
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:13 pm to TSipper
quote:just because there was nothing in place, it doesnt mean that the whole fricking thing was being put in motion. it is well known that larry scott was under the impression that texas had agreed to a formation of a PAC 16 texas regional network until he actually approached texas to get them to make everything official. just because the deal itself hadnt been made, it doesnt mean that the whole idea of it hadnt begun
If you're going to get involved with this, you better get your timeline right. The Pac-10 negotiation for the Big 12 south was 9 months before the LHN deal was finalized. Meaning, their was no LHN when Larry Scott came calling.
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:14 pm to TSipper
quote:we had been open as early as 2010 we were not happy with the big 12 situation. i believe it was either at big 12 media day in 2010 or 2011 that we were ok with things as they currently were. then schools left, then the LHN became a thing, then we realized the LHN was going to try to show high school games, and we realized we had to do everything we can to get out.
Were y'all truthful about the inquiries Beebs made to Mike Slive on A&M's behalf? I mean, I did hear him on the Finebaum show in fall 2010 all but begging for the SEC and A&M to happen. Now, why would Beebs do that?
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:15 pm to WestCoastAg
More aggie revisionism, I see.
Texas decided they would get more money from the new Fox deal that was offered to "save" the Big 12 than going to the Pac-10 would produce.
Pac-10 was STILL going to take Texas, Okla., etc. (sans A&M, who was already sniffing the SEC's nuts).
Texas, knowing all this, gave one last 11th-hour shot for the Pac-10 to allow Texas to keep their third-tier rights, knowing full well they couldn't match what Texas had with the Big 12. A poison pill, so to speak.
Oh, the horror!
Aggies stayed, but later fled when they felt like they needed the SEC's financial skirt to hide under because without something differentiating them from Texas, they could not compete (hasn't that what all you aggies have been saying? no shocker there).
NY Times
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Left adrift amid the chaos of conference realignment, the Big 12 on Monday found an improbable savior. The combination of furious 11th-hour television negotiations by the Big 12 commissioner, Dan Beebe, and Texas’ demanding too much from the Pacific-10 have saved the league from oblivion.
The Big 12 will survive as a 10-team league because of an influx of television money from Fox that ensured its financial future and lured back Texas, Oklahoma and Texas A&M — the Big 12’s bedrock teams — who had been in discussions with other conferences.
Although it appeared that Texas was leading a charge of four teams from the Big 12 South to the Pac-10, an official with direct knowledge of the talks said late Monday night that Texas’s 11th-hour demands to the Pac-10 broke down the talks. Texas wanted to keep its lucrative local television rights and also asked for “extra sweetener” in revenue sharing, according to the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly on the talks.
If Texas had gone to the Pacific-10, the league was expected to start its own television network and Texas could not have operated its own.
“It was unacceptable,” the official said. “The talks broke down.”
Texas decided they would get more money from the new Fox deal that was offered to "save" the Big 12 than going to the Pac-10 would produce.
Pac-10 was STILL going to take Texas, Okla., etc. (sans A&M, who was already sniffing the SEC's nuts).
Texas, knowing all this, gave one last 11th-hour shot for the Pac-10 to allow Texas to keep their third-tier rights, knowing full well they couldn't match what Texas had with the Big 12. A poison pill, so to speak.
Oh, the horror!
Aggies stayed, but later fled when they felt like they needed the SEC's financial skirt to hide under because without something differentiating them from Texas, they could not compete (hasn't that what all you aggies have been saying? no shocker there).
NY Times
This post was edited on 5/17/15 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 5/17/15 at 8:16 pm to WestCoastAg
WCA,
But that's moving the goal posts. It's the job for any AD to get money for his department. So if DeLoss is talking to anybody and everybody on the side about maximizing our tier 3 rights, especially when Kansas is making 9.9mill MORE than we were, he's just doing his job.
No doubt Larry Scott knew about ESPN's interest in a Texas/Texas A&M channel, if only because ESPN owns the Pac-12 network 100%. But nothing was finalized in summer 2010, everything was on the table and Larry Scott had no problem offering Colorado to put pressure on the Big 12 south schools.
Price of poker and all that.
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just because there was nothing in place, it doesnt mean that the whole fricking thing was being put in motion. it is well known that larry scott was under the impression that texas had agreed to a formation of a PAC 16 texas regional network until he actually approached texas to get them to make everything official. just because the deal itself hadnt been made, it doesnt mean that the whole idea of it hadnt begun
But that's moving the goal posts. It's the job for any AD to get money for his department. So if DeLoss is talking to anybody and everybody on the side about maximizing our tier 3 rights, especially when Kansas is making 9.9mill MORE than we were, he's just doing his job.
No doubt Larry Scott knew about ESPN's interest in a Texas/Texas A&M channel, if only because ESPN owns the Pac-12 network 100%. But nothing was finalized in summer 2010, everything was on the table and Larry Scott had no problem offering Colorado to put pressure on the Big 12 south schools.
Price of poker and all that.
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