re: Former LSU OLineman T-Bob Hebert says Cam's 2010 >>>>> Burrow 2019

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You also have to factor in that Burrow doesn't wear women's clothing.

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The Auburn (or was it really the Gators?) version of the greatest ever. hahaha

It’s easy to be gracious to losers like Auburn. Throw them a bone
It’s all good.

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Fun fact

auburn is 2-7 against LSU since Cam left

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Wow, that is a fun fact

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As he stated, Burrow had the benefit of WAY more talent surrounding him than Cam did.

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I get what you're saying. My question is would Cam and his Auburn teammates run through the ranked teams as did Burrow?
I don't think so, therefore while Cam had lesser talent than Burrow had at his disposal, the schedule between the two teams is not even comparable.

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Would Burrow be able to take the same roster Cam had to work with and been able to go undefeated against the 2010 Auburn schedule? I doubt it. It's not like we were playing scrubs back then, the West was loaded in 2010 too

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SECr thought so!

Suck it!

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skrayper

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Because the thread is a comparison between Burrow and Cam. Their supporting cast obviously plays a part in any discussion when comparing their college careers.

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I'm not here to talk smack. I do think you make some valid points in your defense of your side of the Cam vs. Burrow discussion, which it appears you fall on the Cam season side of it.

But one thing I want to point out is that you're discussing the seasons the two player's had. In that sense yes, you're quite accurate in that you must assess the relative levels of talent around both players. Their supporting casts provide important context. I think it's apparent that LSU may have had an equally impressive OL and RB corp (Dyer and CEH impacted their teams in different yet similar ways) relative to their teams. The WR and TE debate is a silly one as LSU holds a clear advantage. An argument against that really can't be made.

On defense, I think Auburn may have been a little saltier with a little more no-name sensibility to them outside of Fairly who was a dominant collegiate player and a constant disruptive force even when schemed against.

But now that we're past that comparison by position group per se, we also have to take a long look at the competition the two players and their teams faced, and how they fared against that competition. Which is where I think the Burrow side of this coin truly shines.

As previously mentioned, Cam faced 3 Top 10 Teams and Burrow faced 7. That's more than twice the number of elite competition that Joe Burrow and 2019 LSU faced compared to Auburn's 2010 squad. The clear advantage to Burrow's body of work versus Cam's in that season when you look at the strength of schedule and opponents is with LSU. It's not really up for debate.

Peering a little closer, Auburn had 8 of 14 opponents above .500 and one Non-Major Program (Chattanooga) being counted as those 8, meaning that almost 50% of the Auburn opponents in 2010 were below .500 Football Teams.

Digging a little deeper, two of the above .500 Teams were South Carolina Teams, who emerged out of the SEC East as their Division Champion. They finished the year at 9-5 with two of the losses coming to Auburn. When you compare them to LSU's opponent in the SECCG-which I'll do later and some are already aware-it's a much inferior opponent which is a pattern that I think is already starting to be borne out with this post. But we'll get to the LSU side of this comparison shortly.

We also must take into account that Auburn played this season in an Era before the CFB Playoff, which meant they played one fewer game than LSU did in 2019. This is one of the 4 more Top 10 Teams LSU and Burrow faced, and it can't be discounted. Again we will see that once we start talking LSU, but its mentioned here to point out Auburn simply had fewer top flight opponents.

Cam Newton's Auburn faced the following Top 10 Opponents in 2010:

LSU (#6) - Finished 11-2
Bama (#9) - Finished 10-3
Oregon (#2) - Finiished 12-1

Lastly, it's worth mentioning that Auburn's 2010 opponents finished with a Total Won/Loss of 107-72.

Now, let's switch gears and look at LSU in 2019 which is the operative Joe Burrow-led season we're comparing as part of this discussion of the two QB's and their season's.

LSU in 2019 faced 10 of 15 opponents with records over .500 including Northwestern State who was not a mid-major program (and who did not finished above .500, unlike Auburn's 2010 Chattanooga opponent). Clearly, LSU and Burrow faced a group of programs who were collectively better teams than did Cam's 2010 Auburn program.

Digging deeper, LSU and Burrow faced the following Top 10 Opponents last year in 2019:

Texas (#9) - 8-5
UF (#7) - 11-2
Auburn (#9) - 9-4
Bama (#2) - 11-2
Georgia (#4) - 12-2
Oklahoma (#4) - 12-2
Clemson (#2) - 14-1

LSU and Joe Burrow in 2019 clearly faced a much, much more difficult schedule and clearly dominated in demonstrative fashion far more than Cam Newton's 2010 squad did. In fact, Burrow-led LSU's 2019 opponent's cumulative won/loss for 2019 is 114-78, which bests Auburn's cumulative total from the Cam Newton 2010 season.

Finally, let's take another look at the stretch run of these two schedules. As we said earlier, Cam's Auburn Team beat a 9-5 South Carolina twice in 2010, the 2nd time in Atlanta to win the SEC Championship. They went on to immediately face the #2 team in America for the NCG in Oregon which they won.

LSU and Joe Burrow faced an 11-1 UGA Team as the SEC Eastern Division Champion that was #4 in the country and a victory over the Tiger's away from the CFB Playoff. It's inarguable that LSU and Burrow faced a far more difficult opponent for the SEC Championship than did Cam Newton and Auburn in 2010.

Going still further, Auburn's 2010 team by virtue of the lack of the CFB Playoff at that time was immediately put into the Championship Game. Meanwhile, by comparison, LSU and Joe Burrow had to face a 12-1 Power 5 Conference Champion led by 1st Round Draft Picks and Heisman Finalists in Oklahoma on a neutral site. This is clearly a much more difficult path along their respective seasons for LSU and Burorw than Cam.

Lastly, LSU faced the defending National Champion and undefeated, 14-0 Clemson Tigers for the National Title who were at that point 29-0 and led by a Future #1 NFL Draft Pick who had not lost a collegiate game in Trevor Lawrence.

Not to slight an undefeated and 12-0 Oregon Ducks Football Team, but LSU faced a clearly more battle tested and accomplished opponent for the National Title.

It's clearly obvious that not only did LSU face a more difficult path, but LSU and Joe Burrow decimated and destroyed all that stood in their way. LSU led the Nation in Points per game against a clearly better, more difficult schedule and gave up fewer total points than Auburn did in 2010 (328 to 337 for AU in 2010).

There's no way that you can look at their respective bodies of work and say that Cam had commensurate talent around him. Likewise, there's no way you can say that Joe Burrow did not face a clearly much more difficult path than Cam Newton did.

There's also no way to look at the statistical output and say that Cam Newton was more dominant or productive against that weaker competition than Burrow was against clearly superior competition.

All due respect to T-Bob...

But 2019 Burrow>>>>>>>2010 Cam

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Cam outlasted opponents. Burrow eviscerated them

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You do realize Auburn’s 2010 defense was really, really bad. No shite the offense had to outlast the other team. The other team always scored, too.

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Burrow didn't rely on our defense as much as that Auburn team did.

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HOLY shite.

That Auburn team didn’t rely on defense. They were 105th in the country against the pass.

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XFLSU

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Damn you for making me defend LieSU, but the team with the most players in the XFL...was Auburn.

Cam was a special talent...running and throwing...big, fast, big arm

But from a true quarterbacking aspect, joe Burrow's face should be the image that comes when you ask "hey Google what is a college Quarterback?"

Burrow put on a clinic...how it can and should be done...in college or pro.

60 passing Tds...

How many did Cam have in 2 years at Auburn?