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re: Former LSU OLineman T-Bob Hebert says Cam's 2010 >>>>> Burrow 2019

Posted on 4/20/20 at 9:17 am to
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 9:17 am to
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In that sense yes, you're quite accurate in that you must assess the relative levels of talent around both players. Their supporting casts provide important context. I think it's apparent that LSU may have had an equally impressive OL and RB corp (Dyer and CEH impacted their teams in different yet similar ways) relative to their teams. The WR and TE debate is a silly one as LSU holds a clear advantage. An argument against that really can't be made.


You're severely understating the talent disparity between the teams.

Cam literally didn't have a single skill player from that team drafted. The only two offensive linemen that were drafted were drafted in the 7th and 4th (2012) rounds, respectively.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 9:39 am to
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I'm not here to talk smack. I do think you make some valid points in your defense of your side of the Cam vs. Burrow discussion, which it appears you fall on the Cam season side of it.


Not really on either side of it; just saying that you have to take into account the talent disparity each QB was working with. Several LSU posters described LSU as having the best, or at least top 5, best WR corps in the country. You cannot say that had zero impact on Burrow's season.

The problem with a lot of discussions on these things is that people just automatically assume you mean "all or nothing" - that giving ANY credit to LSU WRs means taking away ALL credit from Burrow. That's just not the case here, but it's what I have had to defend my statements against.

Now, going to your point - LSU definitely faced better teams. I'm not sure they faced better defenses, but certainly better teams.

Auburn faced defenses that was an average of 44th (43.69) in the country. I measured total defense for Auburn, both for Total and Pass for LSU - as we are comparing a dual threat QB vs a pocket passing QB.

LSU faced an average of 54 (54.14) in total defense and 64 (62.93) vs the pass. Part of that is Clemson, who we don't really know how good their defense really was - vs ranked teams they only played two and ranked in the bottom 10 in both categories.

It's not the best defense if the majority of those top 10 teams were ranked highly because of their offense.

Now, I am once again NOT SAYING Cam > Burrow. I am saying that there's a reason while impartial folks can see how there might be a debate.

Burrow had better passing numbers. He faced better teams. He also had the better supporting cast.

Cam routinely faced better defenses.
Posted by FreddieMac
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 11:01 am to
T-Bob also dresses up like a jedi knight to go see a movie, I would not put much stock in his opinion either way.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 11:24 am to
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T-Bob also dresses up like a jedi knight to go see a movie


You don’t do this?
Posted by atlanta917
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 11:41 am to
In terms of how dominant a season they had I’d go Burrow > Cam > Tebow. Burrow may have had better weapons than Cam, but still orchestrated the best offense of my generation. Cam carried Auburn on his own. Tebow was also dominant, just not as much as the other two.
Posted by CFFreak
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 11:52 am to
T-Bob is a little t-retarded. He also has an axe to grind with LSU. I thought everybody kinda knew that to some degree or other.
Posted by NPComb
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 12:54 pm to
Stats prove otherwise

In fairness, in addition to stats. Joe completely outclasses $Cam in every category except running ability and is probably tied in the swag department.

Joe may or may not Have the NFL success of Cam but as a college quarterback won the Heisman in a record landslide. The votes were amongst his peers, not fan boys. Don’t let your blind hate for LSU diminish what you’ve witnessed this season. It was truly a magical to see Burrow beat everyone’s asses.
Posted by Globetrotter747
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Posted on 4/20/20 at 5:58 pm to
Both were phenomenal college players during their Heisman seasons. Playing on an average team, I would take Cam. Playing on a great team with all the pieces in place, I would take Burrow.

I don’t think Burrow wins the ‘10 title with Cam’s team, but I think Cam (although likely not as statistically dominant) wins the ‘19 title with Burrow’s team.
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