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re: First SEC defensive player taken in next year's draft?

Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:27 pm to
Posted by Sgt Tuffnuts
Middle Georgia
Member since Jul 2022
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Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:27 pm to
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As the #1 overall pick?

He's a very nice pass rusher, but he only had 4.5 non-sack TFLs last year (11.5 total).

Anderson had 16.0 non-sack TFLs last year (33.5 total).



I'm biased here and pumping up the UGA player, but Carter played 20 snaps per game last year. If you average that out to 50 snaps, it's 90 TACKLES and 22 TFLs. As a motherfrigging defensive tackle!!!


""On last year's Georgia defense, do-everything linebacker Nakobe Dean made tackles on 11.4% of his snaps," Connelly said, via his personal Twitter account. "A very high %. Meanwhile, Jalen Carter made tackles on 11.7% of his snaps. As a 310-pound nose tackle. That's unfair."
This post was edited on 8/11/22 at 1:29 pm
Posted by FireDanMullen
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:29 pm to
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You can plug and play lbers in UGA or Bamas system and they will be stars...


Lol. Lmk the last UGA linebacker who had 17.5 sacks in a season
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:29 pm to
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I'm biased here and pumping up the UGA player, but Carter played 20 snaps per game last year. If you average that out to 50 snaps, it's 9O TACKLES and 22 TFLs. As a motherfrigging defensive tackle!!!



I was talking about BJ Ojulari in the post you quoted, not Carter.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:41 pm to
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I'm biased here and pumping up the UGA player, but Carter played 20 snaps per game last year. If you average that out to 50 snaps, it's 90 TACKLES and 22 TFLs. As a motherfrigging defensive tackle!!!


""On last year's Georgia defense, do-everything linebacker Nakobe Dean made tackles on 11.4% of his snaps," Connelly said, via his personal Twitter account. "A very high %. Meanwhile, Jalen Carter made tackles on 11.7% of his snaps. As a 310-pound nose tackle. That's unfair."



He's a great player, but his pass rush win rates (on a per pass rush basis) weren't astronomically higher than others

PRP: A formula that combines sacks, hits and hurries relative to how many times they rush the passer

PRP - Defensive Tackles (2017-2021) (at least 250 pass rushes)
1. Quinnen Williams (Alabama) (2018) - 10.0 (#3 pick)
2. Christian Wilkins (Clemson) (2018) - 8.2 (#13 pick)
3. Christian Barmore (Alabama) (2020) - 7.7 (#38 pick)
4. Jalen Carter (Georgia) - 7.5 (?)
4. Siaki Ika (Baylor) - 7.5 (?)
6. Dexter Lawrence (Clemson) (2018) - 7.3 (#17 pick)
7. Javon Kinlaw (S. Carolina) (2019) - 7.1 (#14 pick)
This post was edited on 8/11/22 at 1:59 pm
Posted by ClesiandSlicedBread
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:50 pm to
New money georgia fricks don’t know how to shut up, every thread come in barking all their shite.

Stfu
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:54 pm to
PRP: A formula that combines sacks, hits and hurries relative to how many times they rush the passer

PRP - EDGE (2017-2021) (at least 300 pass rushes)
1. Chase Young (Ohio State) (2019) - 12.1 (#2 pick)
2. Nick Bosa (Ohio State) (2017) - 11.8 (#2 pick)
3. Jeff Holland (Auburn) (2017) - 11.6 (poor Auburn)
4. Clelin Ferrell (Clemson) (2018) - 11.0 (#4 pick)
5. Aidan Hutchinson (Michigan) (2021) - 10.9 (#1 pick)
6. Will Anderson Jr (Alabama) (2021) - 10.7 (?)
This post was edited on 8/11/22 at 1:54 pm
Posted by Sgt Tuffnuts
Middle Georgia
Member since Jul 2022
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Posted on 8/11/22 at 5:39 pm to
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He's a great player, but his pass rush win rates (on a per pass rush basis) weren't astronomically higher than others

PRP: A formula that combines sacks, hits and hurries relative to how many times they rush the passer

PRP - Defensive Tackles (2017-2021) (at least 250 pass rushes)
1. Quinnen Williams (Alabama) (2018) - 10.0 (#3 pick)
2. Christian Wilkins (Clemson) (2018) - 8.2 (#13 pick)
3. Christian Barmore (Alabama) (2020) - 7.7 (#38 pick)
4. Jalen Carter (Georgia) - 7.5 (?)
4. Siaki Ika (Baylor) - 7.5 (?)
6. Dexter Lawrence (Clemson) (2018) - 7.3 (#17 pick)
7. Javon Kinlaw (S. Carolina) (2019) - 7.1 (#14 pick)



Jalen Carter only played around 300 snaps last season total. The PRP's database is screwy, unless teams threw 80 something percent of the time against Georgia which don't sound right.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 8/11/22 at 5:41 pm to
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Jalen Carter only played around 300 snaps last season total


He played 396 snaps (290 in the regular season, 106 in the SECCG/Playoffs)

264 of them (66.7%) were pass rush snaps
This post was edited on 8/11/22 at 5:44 pm
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25593 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 7:25 pm to
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The #1 pick this year was Travon Walker, linebacker from Georgia.


Linebacker?

He was a zero tech in about 15% of his snaps. 3 tech in about 35% of his snaps. And 4i or 5 tech in about 50% of his snaps.

He was no linebacker. If SOG called him a DT, I wouldn't have batted an eye.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/11/22 at 7:27 pm to
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264 of them (66.7%) were pass rush snaps


He rushed the passer in 264 snaps?
264 were "passing downs"?
Or 264 were drop backs from the QB?
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
18182 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 7:27 pm to
Barring injuries, Anderson is 100% the first defensive player drafted in the nation next year.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 7:29 pm to
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He rushed the passer in 264 snaps?
264 were "passing downs"?
Or 264 were drop backs from the QB?


264 of them were pass plays

There is a subset called traditional drop back that eliminates screens and RPOs I believe, as well.
Posted by JayAg
Member since Jun 2021
10282 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 7:30 pm to
Von went 2nd as a LB but he ran a 4.49 40, I think if Will runs around a 4.5 or under he has a shot to go 1st
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25593 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 7:35 pm to
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264 of them were pass plays

There is a subset called traditional drop back that eliminates screens and RPOs I believe, as well.


I appreciate the info.

That is one area where the scouts loved Travon Walker. He was not the primary pass rusher.

We would blitz a linebacker and drop him into zone a good bit.
Our fronts would shift before the snap. An equal amount of times, he would stunt a double team to free up the looper.
Our front 7 was selfless which basically made life miserable for offensive lines both in prep and execution. One second you have Jalen Carter at a 3 tech ready to rush the gap. Right before the snap, he is in a 5 tech carrying the tackle right into the guard and allowing one of 3 other defenders to loop clean.

As opposed to Will Anderson who was told to get the QB 85% of passing plays (not knocking Anderson or even claiming that he shouldn't be first. Just knocking the reliance on a stat against a defense that literally emphasized manufactured pressures from all angles).
Posted by jb21lsu
NWLA
Member since Mar 2018
2629 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 7:39 pm to
Georgia fans: Jalen Carter


Every-frickin-body-else: Will Anderson
Posted by JayAg
Member since Jun 2021
10282 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 7:43 pm to
Will Anderson is a Von Miller clone, I actually don’t know who Carter is but who does he play like? There is extremely high value on a LB with Will’s ability to get to a QB, Von is like 33 years old and got 100 million for that ability alone in the league at Buffalo
This post was edited on 8/11/22 at 7:44 pm
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25593 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 8:11 pm to
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, I actually don’t know who Carter is but who does he play like?


Poor man's Aaron Donald.

This is Jalen Carter's third season (like Anderson). If there is a year to be Aaron Donald, this would be it.

Basically, Jalen has a relentless motor, inhuman hand strength (he knocks Tennessee linemen over with his hand strike). Extremely explosive off the snap to go with those strong hands.

2022 YouTube highlight
This post was edited on 8/11/22 at 8:24 pm
Posted by Pulpwood Patterson
Member since Dec 2017
1799 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 9:46 pm to
The reason T Walker was drafted #1 is because he was 6’5.5” 280 pounds and ran a faster 40 than several RB’s (4.47 I think).
Posted by 3rddownonthe8
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2011
5212 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 5:14 am to
It should be Anderson, however….you never know what the top of the draft will be. Outside of some junior coming out of nowhere it’ll be Anderson or Carter.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58909 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 7:46 am to
If he stays healthy I would say Will Anderson. He should have won the Heisman last year, imo.

Jalen Carter after Anderson.
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