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Posted on 3/6/24 at 12:22 pm to Hook Em Horns
Posted on 3/6/24 at 12:22 pm to Hook Em Horns
quote:I think it's sad that so many athletes had no transportation and had to ride the transit bus, or were forced to drive clunkers while Bama players were sporting new rides the minute they stepped foot on campus.
Because the proof of it gets buried in paperwork. I myself know people that have been in the same room at car dealerships when mark Ingram and Julio jones and all them, dre Kirkpatrick, where they got those dodge chargers from. They were at a car dealership in Boaz Alabama. Young motors to be exact. He would doctor the financial stuff to make it look like person A had this car, when really mark Ingram had the car. Or Julio Jones had the car. I've actually seen the pictures of them being up there. So yes, bama players were getting benefits when they shouldn't have. Just like Texas players were. And LSU. So on and so forth. You can believe what you want too. But I know for a fact thats where they got the cars from.
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 12:24 pm to LSU Patrick
You don’t know shite.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 12:25 pm to m2pro
quote:Not sure where you were going with that statement, since Bama had long been the acknowledged Master of the Bag Men.
Say whatever makes you feel better, bub. In the end, this robs the head coach of power, and in order for a head coach to be effective, you have to have FULL leverage on players.
Sure, it was fine when only Bama (and maybe a few others) had the nads to blatantly buy players for decades, with other schools worried about compliance. When you're the only "paying" game in town, it's easy to have (and maintain) the power and leverage that you bemoan having lost.
And before you say it, yes, other teams bought players too. The difference is Bama bought entire teams of 5-stars with impunity, where other teams bought one or two players while constantly looking over their shoulder.
Prior to NIL/Portal: "Come to Bama. We'll pay you like a rock star, give you a car, surround you with the best team of 5-stars money can buy, win lots of championships, and we'll put you in the NFL. You're not gonna get a deal like that anywhere else!"
After NIL/Portal: "Boo hoo, NIL and the portal have taken away the advantage we had for decades, and now we have to compete every year for recruits and to keep our star players from leaving, just like all the other plebes. Waaahhhh!
" Yeah, cry me a river for the poor, suffering Gumps and their worn-out, disappointed and disenchanted former coach.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 12:29 pm to Funky Tide 8
One negative comment about Saban and I got 3 replies in under an hour.
Modern college football broke Bama.
I’m still curious why paying players hurts their development. Didn’t seem to be a problem for Bama to develop players they paid the previous 15 years, so why is paying players a problem now? I’m sure I’ll have several articulate answers from bama fans.
Modern college football broke Bama.
I’m still curious why paying players hurts their development. Didn’t seem to be a problem for Bama to develop players they paid the previous 15 years, so why is paying players a problem now? I’m sure I’ll have several articulate answers from bama fans.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 12:30 pm to RT1941
I remember when I lived in Durham there was a brief hub-bub about Grant Hill driving a Range Rover and how that meant that Duke had given him a car (this was coming from UNC fans at the time).
Finally someone pointed out that Grant Hill's dad was Calvin Hill, a 12 year NFL football player who made several million dollars as a pro athlete. He also was a graduate of Yale and worked for the Baltimore Orioles for years in their personnel department.
Sometimes kids have nice cars in college because their parents are well to do.
Finally someone pointed out that Grant Hill's dad was Calvin Hill, a 12 year NFL football player who made several million dollars as a pro athlete. He also was a graduate of Yale and worked for the Baltimore Orioles for years in their personnel department.
Sometimes kids have nice cars in college because their parents are well to do.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 1:11 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
a younger Saban would have found a way to adapt in the NFL and probably would have returned to that league if he didn't want to deal with NIL anymore
I still think he could have been a successful NFL coach had he changed some of his ways and it's not like he did a bad job the two years he was in Miami, he was making progress
I still think he could have been a successful NFL coach had he changed some of his ways and it's not like he did a bad job the two years he was in Miami, he was making progress
Posted on 3/6/24 at 1:13 pm to RT1941
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I'll be interested to see how Hugh's sales pitch of Faith-Family-Football sustains long enough to actually build a championship contender at Auburn.
It’ll be interesting to watch the hypocrite that employed prostitutes for himself and recuits spins away from it
Posted on 3/6/24 at 1:17 pm to Dotarian
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Not sure where you were going with that statement, since Bama had long been the acknowledged Master of the Bag Men.
Sure, it was fine when only Bama (and maybe a few others) had the nads to blatantly buy players for decades, with other schools worried about compliance. When you're the only "paying" game in town, it's easy to have (and maintain) the power and leverage that you bemoan having lost.
And before you say it, yes, other teams bought players too. The difference is Bama bought entire teams of 5-stars with impunity, where other teams bought one or two players while constantly looking over their shoulder.
Prior to NIL/Portal: "Come to Bama. We'll pay you like a rock star, give you a car, surround you with the best team of 5-stars money can buy, win lots of championships, and we'll put you in the NFL. You're not gonna get a deal like that anywhere else!"
After NIL/Portal: "Boo hoo, NIL and the portal have taken away the advantage we had for decades, and now we have to compete every year for recruits and to keep our star players from leaving, just like all the other plebes. Waaahhhh!
"
Yeah, cry me a river for the poor, suffering Gumps and their worn-out, disappointed and disenchanted former coach.
Melt
Posted on 3/6/24 at 1:19 pm to Lord of the Hogs
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I miss the old college football.
Where you could stick your head in the sand and pretend players were not paid? Or where only good players expected to get paid? Or when players that were screwed over had to sit out before they could play? Or back before the SEC expanded?
Posted on 3/6/24 at 1:29 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Everyone knew NIL would do Saban in….
Posted on 3/6/24 at 1:31 pm to Lord of the Hogs
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I miss the old college football.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 1:34 pm to AUCom96
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He also controlled a number of advantages very few college teams could access and now that door has been kicked wide open. But I don't feel the slightest bit sorry for Saban. He played the game with a loaded deck and now that's been taken away.
What you are saying is that Alabama does have some inherit advantages over most other football programs. Most Alabama fans feel this way, but you will get blasted on this board for saying so.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 1:34 pm to Texas Gentleman
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Saban was famous for complaining about changes, but then adapting to them and mastering them, no doubt a big part of the success he had over the years.
Sounds like NIL was finally one change he didn’t like and wasn’t going to adapt to. And I don’t blame him, ride off into the sunset and enjoy your later years as the best to ever do it. Enjoy retirement.
NIL and the portal have made coaches work overtime to keep players on rosters and I don’t fault him one bit for not wanting any of that and bowing out.
NIL has made the one difference between NFL and College coaching that was better for college coaches go out the window - the lack of financially entitled players.
You think trying to coach a 22 year old millionaire is tough?
Imagine trying to coach an 18 year old one.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 1:45 pm to Lord of the Hogs
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I miss the old college football.
2019 was the last year of “the Old College Football.” I’m right there with you, Pal.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 1:49 pm to WW
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Melt
Ah, yes, the inevitable say-nothing reply from someone with no other retort of consequence.
You might as well have just shouted "shenanigans", or "I know you are but what am I?" for the same effect.
The truth is still the truth: Bama played cards from the bottom of the deck for decades, to their advantage. It allowed them to attract and retain 5-stars and stack them up like cordwood, where 5-stars were backing up 5-stars and replaced by 5-star recruits in the pipeline for over a decade.
While other teams did the same thing (to a much smaller extent), none had the audacity or hubris to blatantly flaunt their shadow-recruiting bagman network like Bama did.
And here's the rub: not a word from Saban for 17 years while this gave him a decided advantage over other teams. Yet, when that advantage disappears and EVERYONE can pay players, and recruit stars away from other teams - NOW Saban cares about the dignity and honor of CFB?
Please. Just admit that the era of Bama dominance in recruiting and team retention has evaporated into the black hole of NIL/Portal. Everyone knows it's true, and Bama fans in general would garner some respect for owning up to their history.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 1:49 pm to BreakawayZou83
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…we wouldn’t be dealing with all the me-first, mercenary bullshite from all the players
You might want to think about where the players might have gotten that me-first attitude from,……maybe it was all the coaches, Saban included, that were asking for ever-increasing multi-million dollar salaries. Saban is a great-great CFB coach, but this attitude of blaming the selfish players along with implying the coach’s motives are pure makes me want to puke.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 2:00 pm to RT1941
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I think it's sad that so many athletes had no transportation and had to ride the transit bus, or were forced to drive clunkers while Bama players were sporting new rides the minute they stepped foot on campus
Don’t overlook your regular student. I remember when I was at Alabama in the late 90s the only people that had vehicles were football players and tenured staff. How could anyone else ever hope to afford a used car? We didn’t even have parking lots then. It was amazing to see 20,000 people having to walk everywhere. Uphill both ways too.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 2:00 pm to Tesla
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2019 was the last year of “the Old College Football.” I’m right there with you, Pal
You mean when LSU won the title with a transfer QB?
Posted on 3/6/24 at 2:05 pm to FlyDownTheField83
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…we wouldn’t be dealing with all the me-first, mercenary bullshite from all the players
You might want to think about where the players might have gotten that me-first attitude from,……maybe it was all the coaches, Saban included, that were asking for ever-increasing multi-million dollar salaries. Saban is a great-great CFB coach, but this attitude of blaming the selfish players along with implying the coach’s motives are pure makes me want to puke.
I agree with you up to a point. I, however, believe that Bama (under Saban) along with a few other deep-pocketed "football schools" actually brought this calamity on themselves.
If you just look at Bama under Saban, it was pretty much understood that if you were a blue-chip recruit you could go there and make a LOT of money - along with all the other benefits that come from a team that manages their players and recruiting in that manner (two-deep 5-stars with more 5-star commits on the way? Year after year? Coincidence? I think not...)
So, who actually fostered the notion that blue-chip players should get teams into bidding wars over their services? IMO it was the teams that were doing it for decades that got away with it - only to have the field suddenly levelled by NIL and the portal.
Where, before, a blue-chip player could reasonably expect a bag drop if you got on at Bama, now that same player can expect bag-drop bidding wars.
Blame Saban, Bama, the Bear (who really started this mess), and a few other blue-blood football programs that had been buying the top players for decades. They're the ones that caused current recruits and players to morph into self-entitled "mercenaries".
Just my opinion.
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