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re: College football is an awful product...
Posted on 10/28/20 at 6:17 pm to FatDawg
Posted on 10/28/20 at 6:17 pm to FatDawg
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Kirk Herbstriet said a while back the playoff needed to expand to get more teams and different matchups.
I remember I hated the idea of MLB playoff expansion when it happened but it really increased the number of teams in the playoff chase in September and in my opinion has helped the game a lot.
CFB is kind of like MLB was then. A few teams with huge payrolls (insert your joke here) that are always getting in the playoffs. But with expansion you give smaller market teams the ability to get into the postseason.
I know some will worry about watering down the regular season and that is a good point, but we aren't going back to the old system. I think expanding the playoffs and giving more teams a chance will help the product long term.
I actually agree with this. I know the OP thinks the playoffs has ruined everything but IMO people forgot how terrible having a champion decided on biasness then results on the field.
IMO the problem right now is that if you lose one game your season is over. Expand it more so your team has a chance to get back in it and something to play for. I think 8 is the perfect number. 5 power conference champs(makes regular season still very important) and 3 wildcards.
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Posted on 10/28/20 at 6:26 pm to themetalreb
Paying attention to the national scene isn’t as fun. It’s a shame when LSU as preseason #6 is seen as a ‘crash the party’ type of team.
Here’s your other preseason rankings for champs:
2018: Clemson (2)
2017: Alabama (1)
2016: Clemson (2)
2015: Alabama (3)
2014: Ohio State (5)
BCS era:
2013: Florida State (11)
2012: Alabama (2)
2011: Alabama (2)
2010: Auburn (23)
2009: Alabama (5)
2008: Florida (5)
2007: LSU (2)
2006: Florida (7)
2005: Texas (2)
2004: USC (1)
2003: LSU (14)
2002: Ohio State (13)
2001: Miami (2)
2000: Oklahoma (19)
1999: Florida State (1)
1998: Tennessee (10)
You can’t compare. The emphasis on crowning a singular champion has fundamentally changed how the game is approached. The goal of Ohio State isn’t to make the Rose Bowl, it’s to win the natty. The same goes for Clemson, Alabama, and I guess LSU...and then OU and Georgia.
I used to think it was cyclical, then I thought it was Saban/Dabo breaking the system. But I now see what Ohio State built. Meyer built a powerhouse, and Ryan Day stepped in and it’s not like the results are changing. Whose to say that Dabo and Saban leaving will change things?
Here’s your other preseason rankings for champs:
2018: Clemson (2)
2017: Alabama (1)
2016: Clemson (2)
2015: Alabama (3)
2014: Ohio State (5)
BCS era:
2013: Florida State (11)
2012: Alabama (2)
2011: Alabama (2)
2010: Auburn (23)
2009: Alabama (5)
2008: Florida (5)
2007: LSU (2)
2006: Florida (7)
2005: Texas (2)
2004: USC (1)
2003: LSU (14)
2002: Ohio State (13)
2001: Miami (2)
2000: Oklahoma (19)
1999: Florida State (1)
1998: Tennessee (10)
You can’t compare. The emphasis on crowning a singular champion has fundamentally changed how the game is approached. The goal of Ohio State isn’t to make the Rose Bowl, it’s to win the natty. The same goes for Clemson, Alabama, and I guess LSU...and then OU and Georgia.
I used to think it was cyclical, then I thought it was Saban/Dabo breaking the system. But I now see what Ohio State built. Meyer built a powerhouse, and Ryan Day stepped in and it’s not like the results are changing. Whose to say that Dabo and Saban leaving will change things?
Posted on 10/28/20 at 6:38 pm to TexasTiger08
quote:It took Alabama 13 years to win a Natty after Bear left, then they didn't win another one after that until 17 years later under Saban.
Whose to say that Dabo and Saban leaving will change things?
People who think college football doesn't change just don't pay attention or have short memories.
It's 100% whoever has the elite coaching at the time.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 6:47 pm to TexasTiger08
Should go back to the pre-BCS days. Tradition is a huge part of what makes CFB great. IDGAF about being "fair," and if you think you didn't get a shot, just claim a title lol
Posted on 10/28/20 at 9:08 pm to themetalreb
Top-heavy, regional sport.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 10:21 pm to Mithridates6
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Should go back to the pre-BCS days. Tradition is a huge part of what makes CFB great. IDGAF about being "fair," and if you think you didn't get a shot, just claim a title lol
They never will, but I liked it. College football evolved organically. It wasn’t a planned league like the NFL, NBA, etc. It was and is regional. If LSU fans gave a shite about USC in 03, that’s on them. It’s fun banter. Those debates make the game go ‘round. The rivalries are 365 days a year.
I miss the days where a successful season was going to a bowl and beating your rival. I can appreciate those times.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 1:21 am to themetalreb
Pretty soon, Bernie and AOC will call on the NCAA to "make all programs equal"
Posted on 10/29/20 at 3:13 am to ValVenis
Every other tier of football from middle school, incluing every other college division, on up to the NFL has a legitimate playoff.
Theres a solution to the bullshite we're facing exists. For some reason we all sit back, debate and hem and haw over this stupid shite. Its beyond fricking idiotic. Especially when the schools getting fricked in the arse by this setup far outweigh the number of the few who benefit from it.
Stop the insanity.
Theres a solution to the bullshite we're facing exists. For some reason we all sit back, debate and hem and haw over this stupid shite. Its beyond fricking idiotic. Especially when the schools getting fricked in the arse by this setup far outweigh the number of the few who benefit from it.
Stop the insanity.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 6:26 am to Drewbie
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It took Alabama 13 years to win a Natty after Bear left, then they didn't win another one after that until 17 years later under Saban.
Both instances were caused by the administration in charge at the time. After Perkins returned to the NFL in the aftermath of the '86 season, Bobby Bowden was ours for the taking. Alabama was his dream job and all we had to do was offer it to him and he would have left Florida State for Tuscaloosa. In the aftermath of the Antonio Langham fiasco, the Board of Trustees hired a president who tried to de-emphasize athletics at the university. Andrew Sorenson subsequently hired Bob Bockrath, the worst AD in Alabama history, who ended up running off Gene Stallings and hiring Mike DuBose in his place. The losing that happened after DuBose was only possible due to major NCAA probation.
We won't make those mistakes again.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 7:57 am to themetalreb
Limit scholarships to 20 per year and 70 total.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 8:11 am to ValVenis
I can tell everything you "know" about socialism came from Fox News.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 8:53 am to Land Clam
A legit playoff and not a 4 team invitational would fix this, 12 Conferences and 10 teams each. Everyone plays 9 conference games, 3 non-conference no more than 1 FCS game every 3 years.
12 conference champions
4 at large for 16 team playoff
Round 1 at the higher seed home the 1st weekend in December
Round 2 at the regional NFL stadium of the higher seed
Round 3 the same as now in the 2 designated bowls
Championship game as is now.
Keep the 12 oldest bowls the 20 highest ranked not in the playoff fill out the 10 non-semi-final games.
Example
#1 Alabama host #16 Appalachian State
#1 Alabama plays #8 Washington in New Orleans or Atlanta (depending on where the 3rd round is)
#1 Alabama plays #4 Ohio State in the Orange Bowl
#1 Alabama plays #2 Clemson in the CFP NCG
12 conference champions
4 at large for 16 team playoff
Round 1 at the higher seed home the 1st weekend in December
Round 2 at the regional NFL stadium of the higher seed
Round 3 the same as now in the 2 designated bowls
Championship game as is now.
Keep the 12 oldest bowls the 20 highest ranked not in the playoff fill out the 10 non-semi-final games.
Example
#1 Alabama host #16 Appalachian State
#1 Alabama plays #8 Washington in New Orleans or Atlanta (depending on where the 3rd round is)
#1 Alabama plays #4 Ohio State in the Orange Bowl
#1 Alabama plays #2 Clemson in the CFP NCG
Posted on 10/29/20 at 8:55 am to MetryTyger
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But none of those 3 teams has been as consistent every year so far this millennium as Oklahoma, Boise State, and Louisiana State have.
Have you ever even watched football?
Posted on 10/29/20 at 8:58 am to UKWildcats
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Every other tier of football from middle school, incluing every other college division, on up to the NFL has a legitimate playoff.
frick that, the highly important regular season games are what makes CFB great
This post was edited on 10/29/20 at 8:59 am
Posted on 10/29/20 at 8:59 am to ValVenis
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Pretty soon, Bernie and AOC will call on the NCAA to "make all programs equal"
Do you realize this is how the NFL and NBA and NHL work?
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:08 am to themetalreb
I will say, College football's decline nationally coincides with southeastern dominance. Of the last 15 national champions, 13 of them are from the southeast (14 if you count Texas). The decline of programs like USC, Michigan, and Notre Dame has really made the sport regional.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:10 am to themetalreb
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There are 3-5 teams playing a different game than everyone else...Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State are just different...when the stars align right LSU and maybe Georgia is allowed to play...everybody else is dead meat...
It's really all so boring, so predictable, and so bad..
I mean College Football fans were begging for a playoff for years. This is the result. If there had been a playoff system in place since the beginning, the Pete Carroll USC teams would have made the playoff six, seven years in a row and had a similar run that Dabo and Clemson is on right now. Same thing with Bobby Bowden's Florida State teams. The late '80s to the mid '90s would have been completely dominated by Florida State, Miami, and Nebraska winning the championship every year with the possible exception of Washington crashing the party in '91. The best teams will continue to monopolize the championships in a four-team Playoff system and if they expand the playoff, it will become even worse. Dabo and Saban will never miss the playoffs in an eight-team playoff system and Ohio State and Oklahoma will always be there as well. Say what you will about the old system but it greatly encouraged parity. You lose one game and there was a very good chance you were done unless a lot of dominoes fell in your favor.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:11 am to Mithridates6
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frick that, the highly important regular season games are what makes CFB great
The NFL has highly important regular season games too. How do you think seeding for the playoffs happen?
This post was edited on 10/29/20 at 9:12 am
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:42 am to EarlyCuyler3
Sure, but you can lose 3-4 games and still get the #1 seed, even sit your starters for 2 weeks at times. You'll never have the build up there was for 2011 LSU-Bama or 2013 Iron Bowl
Posted on 10/29/20 at 9:50 am to bamameister
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Why be so clueless? 25/85 has nothing to do with it. The elite of the elite players are making business decisions and leaving geographical loyalties behind, unlike any previous generation of elites. They chose instead the shiniest lure in the tackle box.
The real question should be for dawgs fans, how is Kirby attracting these elites for years now and you are still unable to join the higher ups on the food chain?
The 85 rule does spread the talent out. There are only so many (25) a team can sign in a year. There is more than enough talent to stock more than just the 3-4 teams that are always in the hunt for a BCS title. Of course the top ranked schools always sign top ranked talent, that is a given.
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