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Posted on 7/27/26 at 9:37 am
Posted on 7/27/26 at 9:37 am
Who would yall want to lead your program for three seasons? This isn't a troll post, and I would like people to provide reasons for their answers. I'll be shocked if people actually do this correctly, but I am interested to know what the consensus is
- Heupel or Venables
- Drinkwitz or Golding
- Sumrall or Golesh
My picks are bolded
- Heupel or Venables
- Drinkwitz or Golding
- Sumrall or Golesh
My picks are bolded
This post was edited on 7/27/26 at 9:38 am
Posted on 7/27/26 at 9:43 am to VFL67
None of the above.
If I had to choose, I guess Venables, Golding, and Sumrall. Though Sumrall vs Golesh is mostly a toss up. I fully expect both to fail spectacularly.
Heupel and Venables are both solid coaches. But Heupel doesn't seem to know how to take the next step. The jury is still out on whether Venables does. I'd rather roll the dice than accept I'll never be great.
Drink is washed up. Similar logic to the above. I'll choose the guy who still has some potential over the guy who seems to have shown his ceiling.
If I had to choose, I guess Venables, Golding, and Sumrall. Though Sumrall vs Golesh is mostly a toss up. I fully expect both to fail spectacularly.
Heupel and Venables are both solid coaches. But Heupel doesn't seem to know how to take the next step. The jury is still out on whether Venables does. I'd rather roll the dice than accept I'll never be great.
Drink is washed up. Similar logic to the above. I'll choose the guy who still has some potential over the guy who seems to have shown his ceiling.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 9:50 am to VFL67
Personally, I'd go with Kirby over errbody.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 10:40 am to VFL67
Drink is a toolbox but there’s no way you can put Golding ahead of him before he’s even coached a game without all of LSU’s assistants driving the bus.
Heupel and Venables are a draw, so far. One offensive and one defensive minded HC who have both had playoff appearances but haven’t been a real threat to win it all.
I would say Golesh over Sumrall since he beat Florida last year at USF and Sumrall just comes off as a younger, louder Billy Napier.
Heupel and Venables are a draw, so far. One offensive and one defensive minded HC who have both had playoff appearances but haven’t been a real threat to win it all.
I would say Golesh over Sumrall since he beat Florida last year at USF and Sumrall just comes off as a younger, louder Billy Napier.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 10:42 am to VFL67
You asked for reasons and yet you gave none.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 10:50 am to VFL67
Venables is the only one I would even consider wanting for my team if we were forced to take one from the list. Sumrall may turn out good we just dont know yet. I dont care enough about any of the others to even rank them, just complete middle of the road generic cfb coaches.
This post was edited on 7/27/26 at 10:52 am
Posted on 7/27/26 at 10:54 am to Lucado
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You asked for reasons and yet you gave none.
It really was to hear everyone and not mine, but I will give then:
Heupel or Venables: Heupel has proven to be a more consistent winner than Venables, especially given the fact that he took over a worse program, but they feel overall like a toss-up. The highs of Heupel and the lows of Heupel are still better averages than Venables, who has churned out losing seasons half his time at OU. I think a good offense keeps you always in the hunt vs a defense.
Drink or Golding: I think Golding has the higher upside and has proven to be a better recruiter and hype man. Drink missed his window and is on the decline, while I think Golding is still getting better. If you put Drink in Golding's situation last playoff, I think he loses to UGA by 30.
Sumrall vs Golesh: Similar to the Heupel situation, I think Golesh brings a more proven philosophy and will have a true identity as opposed to Sumrall. I think both are good coaches, but Golesh has the higher potential. Golesh also has a road win in the SEC.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 10:55 am to koreandawg
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koreandawg
Welcome back. You have been gone a while after your embarrassment in Omaha
Posted on 7/27/26 at 11:00 am to BuckeyeGoon
The ou teams of the four team playoff era were insanely soft. Venables has turned them into a very physical team.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 11:12 am to VFL67
- Heupel or Venables
Heupel just can't seem to keep the train on the tracks, while Venables has shown that he can learn from mistakes and get better
- Drinkwitz or Golding
Under Golding, our recruiting has really taken a step forward. His performance in the playoff games and the way he navigated the program through that coaching change was better than I could actually hope for.
- Sumrall or Golesh
Sumrall has the potential to be a great coach.
Heupel just can't seem to keep the train on the tracks, while Venables has shown that he can learn from mistakes and get better
- Drinkwitz or Golding
Under Golding, our recruiting has really taken a step forward. His performance in the playoff games and the way he navigated the program through that coaching change was better than I could actually hope for.
- Sumrall or Golesh
Sumrall has the potential to be a great coach.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 11:24 am to VFL67
I’m a homer but I wouldn’t take anyone on this list but venables.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 11:32 am to VFL67
quote:I agree with most of your assessment but this one means absolutely nothing.
Golesh also has a road win in the SEC.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 11:51 am to VFL67
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- Heupel or Venables
- Drinkwitz or Golding
- Sumrall or Golesh
If these are my options, I'll just rank them all together, 1-6
1. Golesh
2. Sumrall
3. Venables
4. Golding
5. Heupel
6. Drinkwitz
Heupel and Drinkwitz are at the bottom because we already know what they are capable of. Some or all of the four above might turn out to be worse, but at least there is hope that they'll be better.
Heupel has five seasons under his belt yet he's gone 2-9 against opponents that finished ranked in the final AP Top 25 the past three seasons. Heupel is Gus Malzahn 2.0.... he came out the gate on fire his first 2 seasons and then tapered off. Color me unimpressed.
Drinkwitz is going into Year 7 and continues to struggle to win big games. He's 4-18 against Final AP Top 25 opponents overall and 0-7 the past two seasons. This guy is never going to compete for championships.
Venables is 4 seasons in. He looked as if he was going to fail, going just 3-11 against Final Top 25 teams his first 3 years. However, he saw his best season in Year 4... made the Playoff and finished 2-3 against the Final Top 25. This is why I have him ahead of Golding. In the end, he's had four seasons and his record is very mediocre... but at least there is upward trajectory unlike Heupel and Drinkwitz.
Golding frankly has zero experience as a HC. I think there's less to get excited about. He may turn out to be good but he has no record.
Sumrall has had the most success of any of these coaches, however he's never had to build up a program. He took over programs that were already built up and maintained them well. Jury is out that he can build up a program himself. He also has never been even a coordinator at a major program (sorry Kentucky). Beating up on 10-11 cupcakes at Tulane and Troy is not the same as coaching at a major SEC program that should be competing for championships.
Golesh is my #1 of this group because he took over a horrific situation at USF and turned that program around in short order. He spent 2 seasons as an OC at Tennessee and saw pretty good success while there. He's also the youngest of the group.
This post was edited on 7/27/26 at 11:54 am
Posted on 7/27/26 at 12:01 pm to AUTiger789
I really dont understand why people have tended to put Venables over Heupel. Heupel has been much more consistent than Venables and has had higher moments than Venables without a losing season. Heupel also took over a far worse situation than Venables.
This confuses me. The only difference between Heup and BV this next year is that BV has a returning QB, while Heup is breaking in a new one. Otherwise, TN would be a preseason top 15 team.
Oh well perception is reality and for some reason Heup hasnt had a good perception
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there is upward trajectory
This confuses me. The only difference between Heup and BV this next year is that BV has a returning QB, while Heup is breaking in a new one. Otherwise, TN would be a preseason top 15 team.
Oh well perception is reality and for some reason Heup hasnt had a good perception
Posted on 7/27/26 at 12:12 pm to bamabaseballsec
I have to admit I was completely wrong about them moving to the sec, I thought it would hurt their football program a lot but they've more than held their own and seem to be in great shape with recruiting.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 12:20 pm to VFL67
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Heupel has been much more consistent than Venables
Heupel is 0-6 in his last six games against Final AP Top 25 opponents, losing by an average of more than 14 points in each contest. This is not acceptable for a coach going into his sixth season. He's also lost to an opponent that finished the season unranked in each of the past two seasons. Tennessee struggled to beat 2-10 Arkansas last year, barely escaping at home 34-31. They needed overtime to beat 5-win Mississippi State.
It'd be one thing if this all was happening in Year 1 or 2 but we're talking about his fifth season as HC.
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I really dont understand why people have tended to put Venables over Heupel.
Did Venables not come into Neyland and beat the Vols last season??
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Otherwise, TN would be a preseason top 15 team.
Who the frick cares about preseason rankings? I'm basing my opinions on actual results.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 1:08 pm to AUTiger789
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Tennessee struggled to beat 2-10 Arkansas last year, barely escaping at home 34-31.
That's a total mischaracterization of that game lol. Tennessee was up 17 with less than 5 minutes to go and stopped trying. Arkansas scored garbage-time TDs
By the same logic, OU struggled to beat a terrible Auburn team last year and a terrible LSU team
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It'd be one thing if this all was happening in Year 1 or 2 but we're talking about his fifth season as HC.
I mean, Venables has had a losing season half of his time at OU including a 6-7 campaign in Year 3. Heupel has never had one.
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Did Venables not come into Neyland and beat the Vols last season??
Didnt Heupel beat OU in Oklahoma the year before by double digits?
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I'm basing my opinions on actual results.
Actual results say Heupel has won more games, has a higher winning percentage, has had no losing seasons, finished ranked higher on average, and spent more weeks ranked in both the AP and CFP polls than Venables.
Heupel has had two top 10 finishes in the AP poll, and Venables has never had one. Pretty sure Heup also has a better record against the top 25 than BV.
Venables Best Team: 10-3 #13
Heupels Best Team: 11-2 #6
Venables Worst Team: 6-7 (Year 3)
Heupels Worst Team: 7-6 (Year 1)
This post was edited on 7/27/26 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 7/27/26 at 2:21 pm to VFL67
Think Venables is trending up and Heupel is trending down, but that could flip in a year.
Personally, OU already did the "great offense, shite defense" thing for a while, and I prefer having a great defense even if we're still trying to find a good offense. Having a great defense instills a toughness component to your overall team and its mindset. So even if the stats are equal (or Heupel has slightly better ones), I'd choose Venables for that alone.
Personally, OU already did the "great offense, shite defense" thing for a while, and I prefer having a great defense even if we're still trying to find a good offense. Having a great defense instills a toughness component to your overall team and its mindset. So even if the stats are equal (or Heupel has slightly better ones), I'd choose Venables for that alone.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 2:23 pm to VFL67
The difficulty is that Heupel and Venables may be better coordinators than head coaches, while Drinkwitz has shown flashes but can be too much of a loose cannon. Still, all three have been relatively consistent, just not elite. Golding, Sumrall, and Golesh remain too untested in the league to evaluate with much confidence.
Because we're looking at a three-year window, the answer may depend on whether a program already has talent in place or needs a rebuild. I wouldn't hire Golding as a head coach solely based on his time at Alabama, but he was an elite recruiter and at least kept things steady after Kiffin left him with solid athletes.
So the choice is between three coaches who have shown they can win but lack strong overall track records, and three coaches we think could win and recruit in the SEC, though we really don't know yet.
I guess we also have to consider the condition each would leave the program in.
Interesting.
- Heupel or Venables
Heupel's offense might not be as productive year-to-year as teams devise counters (à la Gus Malzahn). Venables' volatility is more of a red flag. Respected his defenses at Clemson, though. This one is close. Both coaches on the same staff would be dangerous.
- Drinkwitz or Golding
Golding is unproven but he can potentially attract recruits and get out of the way. He's also from the Saban tree and knows what type of program needs to be built. Drink already feels like he's declining, but he's done good work building and managing the program as a whole. He's probably more suited for the NFL.
- Sumrall or Golesh
Like both of these guys. This one to me is more about program building. I just feel like Golesh has a greater risk of CEO-like responsibilities outpacing his experience. Sumrall seems like a safer cultural fit if he's somewhere he can build a staff. Could be a wildly different take in a year or two.
Because we're looking at a three-year window, the answer may depend on whether a program already has talent in place or needs a rebuild. I wouldn't hire Golding as a head coach solely based on his time at Alabama, but he was an elite recruiter and at least kept things steady after Kiffin left him with solid athletes.
So the choice is between three coaches who have shown they can win but lack strong overall track records, and three coaches we think could win and recruit in the SEC, though we really don't know yet.
I guess we also have to consider the condition each would leave the program in.
Interesting.
- Heupel or Venables
Heupel's offense might not be as productive year-to-year as teams devise counters (à la Gus Malzahn). Venables' volatility is more of a red flag. Respected his defenses at Clemson, though. This one is close. Both coaches on the same staff would be dangerous.
- Drinkwitz or Golding
Golding is unproven but he can potentially attract recruits and get out of the way. He's also from the Saban tree and knows what type of program needs to be built. Drink already feels like he's declining, but he's done good work building and managing the program as a whole. He's probably more suited for the NFL.
- Sumrall or Golesh
Like both of these guys. This one to me is more about program building. I just feel like Golesh has a greater risk of CEO-like responsibilities outpacing his experience. Sumrall seems like a safer cultural fit if he's somewhere he can build a staff. Could be a wildly different take in a year or two.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 2:27 pm to VFL67
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