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Posted on 7/27/26 at 2:52 pm to VFL67
Posted on 7/27/26 at 2:52 pm to VFL67
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Tennessee was up 17 with less than 5 minutes to go and stopped trying.
Oh ok. I would typically assume when a team "stops trying" and endangers giving the game away that was a reflection of the coaching staff.
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By the same logic, OU struggled to beat a terrible Auburn team last year and a terrible LSU team
Yes, they absolutely did.
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Didnt Heupel beat OU in Oklahoma the year before by double digits?
Yes two seasons ago. What do you call one program improving and the other falling off? I would typically refer to that as "trajectory".
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Actual results say Heupel has won more games, has a higher winning percentage, has had no losing seasons,
Heupel has played a MUCH easier schedule. Take the past two seasons (2024 + 2025).
Tennessee is 18-8 to Oklahoma's 16-10. Now let's investigate why...
Both teams are 2-0 against FCS opponents. Both teams are 4-0 against mid-majors with losing records.
Tennessee is 1-6 against ranked opponents (final ranking used). Oklahoma is 3-8 against ranked opppments. So Oklahoma played 4 extra games against ranked opponents in just a 2-year period.
How about Power 4 Opponents that finished with a winning record: Oklahoma is 7-9 in such games while Tennessee is 3-8. So Oklahoma played 5 extra games against these types of opponents.
In the past 2 seasons, Venables has a better winning % against ranked opponents and Power 4 opponents with winning records. The only reasons Heupel has a better overall record is because he's faced an insanely easy schedule in comparison.
This post was edited on 7/27/26 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 7/27/26 at 3:53 pm to VFL67
We lost to the national champs. Who did you lose to?
I've actually been posting on here for a few days now, silly vile.
I've actually been posting on here for a few days now, silly vile.
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Welcome back. You have been gone a while after your embarrassment in Omaha
Posted on 7/27/26 at 4:28 pm to AUTiger789
So basically even though Heupel is better in every metric you are basing it all on the fact that Heupel had one bad year last year where he went 8-5 while Venables bad years have been 6-7.
Ill take the guy who has more weeks ranked, higher AP finishes, more wins, a higher winning percentage, and a New Years 6 bowl win. Everything else is semantics you are looking for to troll TN. ADs must like what they see in heup considering both MS State and Auburn have hired Heupels protégés
Ill take the guy who has more weeks ranked, higher AP finishes, more wins, a higher winning percentage, and a New Years 6 bowl win. Everything else is semantics you are looking for to troll TN. ADs must like what they see in heup considering both MS State and Auburn have hired Heupels protégés
Posted on 7/27/26 at 5:40 pm to VFL67
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So basically even though Heupel is better in every metric
No. Heupel is not better in every metric. As already stated, the last two seasons Oklahoma has had a better win% against ranked teams and a better win% against Power 4 opponents with winning records.
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Ill take the guy who has more weeks ranked
Stupid stat. Tennessee spent the first 14 weeks of the season ranked last year despite accomplishing absolutely nothing and only to fall out of the rankings by the end of the year.
So what did TN accomplish those first 14 weeks of the season?
Beat 3-9 Syracuse
Beat FCS ETSU
Beat 4-8 UAB
Beat 5-8 Miss St in OT
Beat 2-10 Arkansas by just 3 at home
Beat 5-7 Kentucky
Beat 4-8 New Mexico St
Beat 4-8 Florida
The fact that TN was ranked for 14 weeks while accomplishing literally nothing is more of an indictment of the AP voters than it is anything else.
The above resume certainly doesn't warrant hyping up a head coach who lost to every team with a winning record he faced, including an unranked Illinois team coached by equally obese Bret Beliema.
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Heupel had one bad year
I mean if you really want to peek under to hood, you'll see that 2023 and 2024 weren't much better.
2023:
Beat 3-9 Virginia
Beat FCS Austin Peay
LOST to 5-7 Florida
Beat UTSA
Beat 5-7 South Carolina
Beat 7-6 Texas A&M
Beat 7-6 Kentucky
Beat 3-9 UConn
Beat 2-10 Vanderbilt
Beat 4-loss Iowa
Sorry I'm not blown away by that. I'm not sure anyone would be actually if they were being honest. How about the vaunted playoff run of 2024:
Beat FCS Chattanooga
Beat 6-7 NC State
Beat 0-12 Kent St
Beat 6-7 Oklahoma
LOST to 7-6 Arkansas
Beat 8-5 Florida
Beat 9-4 Alabama
Beat 4-8 Kentucky
Beat 2-10 Miss St
Beat 3-9 UTEP
Best 7-6 Vanderbilt
I mean... In the last 3 seasons, Heupel's only real accomplishment is beating a 9-4 Bama team that went on to lose the Outback Bowl. That's it.
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ADs must like what they see in heup considering both MS State and Auburn have hired Heupels protégés
Or maybe those guys left and Heupel isn't any good anymore without them.
Here's the bottom line. In the past 3 seasons Heupel is 18-12 against Power 4 opponents.
He's 0-8 against power 4 opponents that finished the season with 3 losses or fewer. He lost twice to 4-loss opponents, once to a 6-loss opponent, and once to a 7-loss power opponent.
Of his 18 wins against power opponents, the just three came against opponents with fewer than 6 losses on the season. The power teams that TN beat averaged having 7.3 losses apiece. More than 7!
Heupel does not have any meaningful accomplishments during the past 3 seasons.
This post was edited on 7/27/26 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 7/27/26 at 6:41 pm to VFL67
Sounds like a bunch of backward looking analysis that has not bearing on future results.
Posted on 7/27/26 at 7:40 pm to AUTiger789
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Heupel does not have any meaningful accomplishments during the past 3 seasons.
You lost all credibility by saying this lol
Auburn hasnt had a season better than Heupels 2024 season since 2013. Also Through all this you fail to mention his 2022 season which makes no sense
In less time Heupel has tied the same amount of top 10 finishes as Terry Bowden, Tommy Tuberville, Gene Chizik, and Gus Malzahn.
He also has a higher winning percentage than Shug jordan, Tommy Tuberville, Gene Chizik, and Gus
Idk whats supposed to impress you about a coach from an Auburn pov given that his stats are nearly identical to your best coaches ever
Posted on 7/28/26 at 9:36 am to VFL67
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Auburn hasnt had a season better than Heupels 2024 season since 2013.
LOL. In terms of actual accomplishments on the field, this is absolutely not true. Auburn has had three seasons since 2013 that exceeded what Tennessee did on the field in 2024, and this being in the worst era of football at Auburn in program history.
Wins vs Ranked Teams (Final AP); losses to unranked teams also noted:
2024 Tennessee: Beat #17; lost to unranked Arkansas
2014 Auburn: Beat #17 and #18; lost to unranked Texas A&M
2017 Auburn: Beat #1, #2, and #19
2019 Auburn: Beat #5 and #8
All three of those seasons were obviously more impressive than what TN did in 2024.
It is absolutely wild to me that Tennessee fans act as if their program is back to the old days when they are literally 2-46 against Final AP Top 10 teams since 2008... including 0-7 the past three seasons.
This post was edited on 7/28/26 at 9:37 am
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