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Posted on 6/12/20 at 3:09 pm to InGAButLoveBama
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Some of you need to turn off the ESPN and the ball game and do some reading. Or just observe behavior, and then tell us who the biggest racists are.
Yeah... I mean Your defending literal lynching and actual slavery but I should Read a book.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 3:11 pm to paperwasp
Anyone who advocated for slavery is a POS and should not be honored. Period.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 3:19 pm to SCLibertarian
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Cowardly horseshite. The damn school sits on Calhoun's old Fort Hill Estate. Tell Watson and Hopkins to put their money where their virtue-signaling mouths are and pay to move the whole damn campus if Calhoun is that offensive.
My man, Calhoun openly argued that slavery was a "positive good." Unlike the Founding Fathers who at least realized and acknowledged that there were major contradictions in what they were saying in the Constitution while also allowing slavery to continue and and at least explicitly worked to limit or slowly abolish the institution, Calhoun would defend the continuation of slavery until the very end and would say shite like this:
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“We of the South will not, cannot surrender our institutions. To maintain the existing relations between the two races inhabiting that section of the Union is indispensable to the peace and happiness of both.”
How an avid libertarian such as yourself can defend naming places after someone so pro-slavery is itself one hell of a contradiction.
This post was edited on 6/12/20 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 6/12/20 at 3:20 pm to RogerTempleton
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Anyone who advocated for slavery is a POS and should not be honored. Period.
You're exactly right.
But where do we draw the line on common sense?
I'm offended that VW used to make cars for Nazis.
Offensive syrup bottles?
"Racist" names of towns or national parks?
Posted on 6/12/20 at 3:22 pm to RogerTempleton
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Anyone who advocated for slavery is a POS and should not be honored. Period.
So which founding father is your next target?
Do we apply that line of thinking to anything else? Let's say those who advocated for abortion when history reaches the conclusion that it was even worse than slavery?
Second, not everything had to do with "honoring". As I documented from articles from history, the Union vets put up more and started the trend.
Both sides sought to mend by remembering their dead.
I believe you are capable of reading it.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 3:23 pm to paperwasp
Entire school and town is named after a Confederate
Posted on 6/12/20 at 3:25 pm to Jjdoc
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So which founding father is your next target?
Most of the Founding Fathers didn't actually advocate or celebrate it as Calhoun did.
Many realized their contradictions and worked to have it slowly abolished or slowed down - whether it be abolishing the slave trade or abolishing it in new territories. Most believed that slavery would come to a gradual end on its own but the only way to make all the states come together as one country was to allow slavery to exist for a little while longer.
That's a far cry from Calhoun's beliefs and Tillman's creation of Jim Crowe laws.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 3:34 pm to paperwasp
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Calhoun was a slave owner and secessionist, and the college was named after him because his plantation became Clemson University.
Clemson should immediately raze the entire university and build low-income housing on the site. If not, then the entire university must be torn down just as with other racist monuments.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 3:37 pm to paperwasp
I don’t know that it’s fair to judge historical figures by modern standards. We’re all people of our times. 200 years from now there will be something common about the current world that will be considered barbaric, or even evil.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 3:38 pm to InGAButLoveBama
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Some of you need to turn off the ESPN and the ball game and do some reading.
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Please define racism. Who invented this word?
Sure, got any recommendations? Ones particularly on race.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 3:42 pm to theGarnetWay
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Most of the Founding Fathers didn't actually advocate or celebrate it as Calhoun did.
Jefferson's Kentucky Resolution and Madison Virginia Resolution were the philosophical basis for Calhoun's writings on nullification as it pertained to slavery. Calhoun's positions were the logical consequences of the Compact Theory of the Constitution.
And had the Founding Fathers been alive in 1860, almost all of them would have joined the Confederate side. Hell, former President John Tyler was in the Confederate Congress. Former Presidents (and Yankees) Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan were open Confederate sympathizers. I'd argue that, of the two sides, the Confederates were the heirs to the American Revolution in the eyes of many, not just in the South. George McClellan got 1.8 million votes in 1864 on a platform of making peace with the Confederates and ending the war.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 3:44 pm to theGarnetWay
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How an avid libertarian such as yourself can defend naming places after someone so pro-slavery is itself one hell of a contradiction.
Because I don't have to support that person's actual beliefs to recognize their historical contributions and impact, be it good or bad. It's actually kind of simple for someone who places facts over feelings and emotions, which obviously doesn't include you.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 3:49 pm to cajunbama
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cajunbama
Shouldn’t you be bumping dickheads with your wife texfag7.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 4:27 pm to PJinAtl
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How often did DeAndre Hopkins go anywhere near the Honors College?
He went by it or passed by it enough to know the wretched history behind the person it was named for
Then when he got rich & famous he didn't forget, and made a stand in his own way during Player Intros as an NFL Player, this was way before Floyd was murdered in Minneapolis
He kept using his fame to facilitate a positive change that will impact future generations of Clemson Students
Not bad for a guy you think of as a dumb FB Player
Posted on 6/12/20 at 4:33 pm to AllInAllTheTime
Lol at all the thumbs down because I hate our rival. Go figure!
Posted on 6/12/20 at 4:37 pm to AllInAllTheTime
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Lol at all the thumbs down because I hate our rival.
And this is all it's about with Gamecock fans. We've given no thought of the precedent it sets for us moving forward. By our own words, we better get busy renaming almost every building on our campus, which will be just as pathetic as Clemson doing it.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 4:47 pm to SCLibertarian
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And? Without him, Clemson doesn't exist. And if Clemson doesn't exist, they don't have a successful football program that led to Watson and Hopkins's success. Clemson's charter was approved by the SC General Assembly by 1 vote. It passed for one reason: the Tillman faction. The year after, Tillman became governor. And again, his faction was the only reason the school was funded. Evil men can still be recognized for their important deeds. Hell Andrew Jackson is on the $20 bill.
There are 65 or so other P5 CFB Programs with great facilities and good enough weight rooms for those 2 guys to get to the NFL in the same draft slot with same Rookie Contract without Clemson
Clemson FB didn't make them, they made Clemson FB what it is
That's why College FB Coaches cheat so much, they know Elite Players can go Pro and get the same draft slot at any 1 of 65 different Colleges
Example, Jay Cutler went to Vandy, didn't win a lot and was a 1st round draft choice, maybe Top20, Jordan Love went to Utah State and was a 1st round draft choice
The individual player makes his career path to the NFL, not the school, no matter how palatial the Athl Facilities are
Posted on 6/12/20 at 4:48 pm to SCLibertarian
This is true my fellow rival, we are certainly on unprecedented times!
Posted on 6/12/20 at 4:52 pm to paperwasp
What they really ought to do is move the university off of John Calhoun's plantation. How can they expect to have social justice when they're sitting in the man's fields?
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