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re: Clemson removing racist Calhoun and Tillman names from college
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:24 pm to Jjdoc
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:24 pm to Jjdoc
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No, we 100% understand why they are committing crimes. There is a difference between a protest and destroying property. Period... Full stop.
We know, because they are being pushed by marxism. You were literally shown factual congressional record.
And you are agreeing with it.
I have asked before, what happens when they come for icons from my race because he was not perfect?
Because they will. They won't stop there because it is not ABOUT THAT! And the ones like you don't even understand that
I have never advocated for criminal acts or looting, so for you to continue to reply to my comments with mentions of crime or looting merely muddies the waters
I'm not being influenced by Marxism in any way, I simply have an internal moral compass that helps me decide between right and wrong
I have an example for you
Many HSs around the Country are named for both r e lee and Frederick Douglass, when you go back and look at the way they lived their lives, no one would ever think about renaming a HS named after Douglass, yet this questioning of whether or not lee's name should be on Military Bases, schools etc has been talked about for almost 100 years now
If folks have been questioning whether or not these confederate cowards should be honored publicly for going on 100 years, then this isn't some Marxist conspiracy to bring down the US, which is ironically what lee tried to do
As for your question what about when they come for icons of your ethnicity, plenty of Schools have directional names (Northwest HS), and plenty of streets have numerical names or are named for other objects , even animals, (Hummingbird Lane) and plenty of sporting events have been played at Municipal Auditorium
Acting as if American Society will crumble if we don't have bldgs, streets, schools, etc named for confederate cowardly assholes, is a crock of shite on your part and you know it
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Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:24 pm to SCLibertarian
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The people you're aligned with are no different than the Taliban and ISIS. The Buddhist statues in Afghanistan were destroyed because they offended the Islamic faith of Taliban leaders. The ancient city of Palmyra in Syria was destroyed by ISIS because the pagan statues of empires past offended their religious and cultural sensibilities. How are your allies any different when they destroy statues during riots? You're not on the right side of history. You stand to be counted with the book burners and censors.
Slaveholding, Jim Crow, and the KKK is just a bit closer to the ISIS ideology of exclusion and subjugation than not wanting those people honored. In 50 years we just might see a movement in the ME to eliminate monuments to their worst human rights violators along with a shrinking group of dissenters arguing that those monuments should remain for . . . fill in the blank with whatever excuse you want.
The social vector of modernization exhibits steady movement toward inclusion and equality in every society. Part of that is refusing to honor the worst parts of our shared history. That history doesn't disappear, but it's no longer celebrated.
Admittedly there are always nonsensical outliers in every movement and component of society, but we end up meeting near a shared middle that is always somewhere on the side of change. There is zero chance these kids are on the wrong side of history.
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PeeJayScammedGT
You still get a downvote.
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:34 pm to chillmonster
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The social vector of modernization exhibits steady movement toward inclusion and equality in every society.
It's amazing that you actually believe those who want to remove statues are in any way inclusive. These same people want to criminalize speech and would have you believe microaggressions equate to physical violence. Modern cancel culture doesn't promote tolerance or equality of opinion. It teaches people that if you yell and scream loud enough you'll get what you want.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:45 pm to chillmonster
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It's a wonder why hardly anybody argues we should honor the biggest slavery proponents, most ardent segregationists, perpetrators of racial violence, and prominent Klan leaders simply because those people deserve to be honored.
Sure, remove them: I agree with Grant when he said the Confederacy fought for "the worst cause for which a people ever fought and died." But don't pretend that you're being "oppressed" by them like Hopkins
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:50 pm to chillmonster
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Admittedly there are always nonsensical outliers in every movement and component of society, but we end up meeting near a shared middle that is always somewhere on the side of change. There is zero chance these kids are on the wrong side of history.
What is you stance on the tearing down of MLK's name and statues?
What about the Statues to Lenin? Stalin?
Please answer to all of them.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:58 pm to SCLibertarian
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It's amazing that you actually believe those who want to remove statues are in any way inclusive. These same people want to criminalize speech and would have you believe microaggressions equate to physical violence. Modern cancel culture doesn't promote tolerance or equality of opinion. It teaches people that if you yell and scream loud enough you'll get what you want.
Much of cancel culture is exactly the kind of outlier I was referring to. Don't think for a second that is the basis of the hundreds of thousands of people in the streets right now.
Listen, man, it's this simple. These kids don't feel complicit in, affinity towards, or responsibility for Jim Crow and slavery, so removing these monuments isn't is in no way a slight to their honor.
They do not want to celebrate people they feel are abhorrent, so they want statues removed and and some names changed.
. . . or
They don't give a shite either way, but they know it's harder to argue that racism in our society is marginalized and not institutional when monuments to slavery from the Jim Crow era are everywhere.
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 6/13/20 at 1:02 pm to Mithridates6
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rename the university
Thomas G. Clemson was a slave owner and an officer in the Confederate army.
Since they were founded as an agricultural school, I propose we change their name to:
South Carolina A&M and their initials will be MOST appropriately,
SCAM.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 2:49 pm to ClemsonRules
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Asking for a friend.
NO you're not, you have not. Which is why you live here.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 3:36 pm to Lonnie Utah
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How about the Apostle Paul?
Ephesians 6:5, NIV: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."
Slavery was more common in ancient times. By the 1700s there was already an abolitionist movement.
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 6/13/20 at 3:45 pm to Jjdoc
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So which founding father is your next target?
Do we apply that line of thinking to anything else? Let's say those who advocated for abortion when history reaches the conclusion that it was even worse than slavery?
I'm speaking about the mid 1800s when abolition had come to the forefront of our social consciousness. Britain banned slavery throughout their empire in 1833. Times change, enlightened thinking and ideas become part of society. When faced with new thinking and social change, that's where people have to embrace learning and progress. To side with injustice instead of justice at the juncture is unacceptable.
Whether people react, adapt, and become better people when faced with new ideas matters.
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 6/13/20 at 5:04 pm to RogerTempleton
Good Lord, Clemson.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 6:06 pm to Carolina_Girl
"they bring that flag down, we gon put this one UP!"
Posted on 6/14/20 at 1:00 pm to RollTide1987
Yale is a Private School, not sure if Clemson is some sort of public-private hybrid or what, but Clemson ain't the same kind of private that Yale is, if it's private at all
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