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re: Clemson removing racist Calhoun and Tillman names from college

Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:57 am to
Posted by scionofadrunk
Williamson County, TN
Member since Mar 2020
1961 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:57 am to
If "virtue signalers" were responsible for speaking out against oppressed black Southerners' voting rights in the 1960s, then label me as such.

Please inform me how a group of people standing up for what is right is indicative of the collapse of Western Civilization
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 10:24 am to
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The damn school sits on Calhoun's old Fort Hill Estate.


Built on the backs of slaves.

BTW, the cleaners called. Your white robe and hood are ready.
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 10:30 am to
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If "virtue signalers" were responsible for speaking out against oppressed black Southerners' voting rights in the 1960s, then label me as such.

Why wouldn't you want another American Citizen to be able to vote?

Did you mistype something above?

Why would you want kick a guy when he's already down and oppressed!?
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15174 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 10:39 am to
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Why anyone would get upset about the name of a building is beyond me.


They have to put their hatred and anger some where.

The funny part is they project people who say "let's all treat each other fairly" as being the ones filled with hate.

These people are igorant and bordeline psychotic.
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
21722 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 10:44 am to
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Calhoun was a slave owner and secessionist, and the college was named after him because his plantation became Clemson University.


frick it, how can anyone step foot on the grounds where slaves once were???? BURN IT DOWN. Make school find a new place that never had slaves on it or anywhere that benefited from having slaves in America!!!!!
Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
5072 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 10:48 am to
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frick it, how can anyone step foot on the grounds where slaves once were???? BURN IT DOWN. Make school find a new place that never had slaves on it or anywhere that benefited from having slaves in America!!!!!


Yes, because renaming a school is the same as burning it down. Just like all of those post offices that were named after Reagan no longer exists.

This is what these kids want, and it's almost certainly what future students will want. What did you think was going to happen when these students become the Alumni who donate and support and run the school?

Eventually generations of white kids raised on equality and far enough removed to feel neither responsibility nor kinship with the institutions or perpetrators of slavery and Jim Crow will look at the history of these monuments and decide what they want to be honored. They feel zero loss when these names are changed and statues are removed.

It's inevitable. Stop shouting into the wind.
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 11:02 am
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 10:50 am to
Wasn't Clemson himself Calhoun's grandson or something? Are they gonna rename the university
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
35942 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 10:58 am to
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Built on the backs of slaves. 

BTW, the cleaners called. Your white robe and hood are ready.


If the name Calhoun is so offensive, why not move the school? Hell, the school is named after Calhoun's son-in-law. Why not change the name of the school? They won't, because it will negatively affect the bottom line.

And as for the robe comment, you prove my point, and it really shows how far fetched you lunatics really are. You want to equate those who oppose renaming buildings with the KKK and racism, which is a crock of shite. If real and actual acts of racism were commonplace in this country, making idiotic comparisons like that would be the least of your concerns. But when victimhood is currency, expect jackasses to perpetuate it, even when it doesn't exist.
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:02 am to
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If you think it stops with Calhoun you're a fool. In 25 or 30 years, when America looks like Cocteau's dystopia from Demolition Man, you can blame yourself and the rest of the virtue signalers on here for giving in to the demands of the cancel culture crowd, whose aim is to destroy the foundations of western civilization.

Why do you default to some ridiculous extreme?

Why can't America simply look "the same" , or however it is supposed to look in 30 yrs, except for the fact that we have monuments,statues, & bldgs named for people that weren't despicable human beings

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Your attitude is, "if we don't stop this insurrection now, they're gonna take my land", or take "something" from me in the future?

WTF?

Why do assume that bigots and racists are the foundations of Western Civilization?

You do realize that the ROOT of the word Civilization, is "civil", pretty much all of the folks targeted for name changes on bldgs or statues being taken down, were not civil people, just merely accepted by a flawed Era of American History
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53435 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:10 am to
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Please inform me how a group of people standing up for what is right is indicative of the collapse of Western Civilization


First, it's not "right". It's an attempt to separate people. And they are doing a very good job of it too.

Second, because their stated GOAL.. ARE YOU LISTENING... Their stated goal IS the collapse of Western Civilization.


They are aligned with Marxism... Identify with Stalin and Lenin.

This isn't hard to grasp. It's not some well kept secret. It's not some conspiracy theory. It's their words backed by their actions.


Hell, we have known since the 1960s the the KGB was involved in attempts to put the USA into crisis. Even CONGRESS knew it. There is a congressional record on it. It was literal goals set. Want to see some of them? Want to really be woke??

On January 10, 1963, the House of Representatives and later the Senate began reviewing a document(FBI DOC) entitled 'Communist Goals for Taking Over America.' It contained an agenda of 45 separate issues (attacks and techniques)


quote:

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack (whatever the new social justice is)

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers.

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.




Anything on that list ring a bell in what is going on now?


What about this one.... Are you seeing this in the news?


quote:

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].



That is literally happening in the USA! "Defund the police.

And it's the same groups that are carrying out targeted events right now that is also demanding that.

And they are very capable of working up people to be useful.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53435 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:14 am to
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all of the folks targeted for name changes on bldgs or statues being taken down, were not civil people,



You are lying or misinformed.

Columbus
Jefferson
Washington
Jackson


And many more have ALL comedown in places this week. You are literally supporting marxism and don't even know it.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
35942 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:17 am to
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Please inform me how a group of people standing up for what is right is indicative of the collapse of Western Civilization

What planet are you living on? If you think this is only about removing the names of racists, you're crazy. It's about fundamentally transforming our society into one where there is zero deviation from standard social justice ideology.

Is it right that LivePD and Cops were cancelled? Is it right that the Church of the Highlands lease was cancelled because of a liked tweet? Is it right for people's lives to be ruined because of tweets or comments said years ago? Is it right for people to use bullying and blackmail to remove anything and everything they deem offensive, regardless of how many people have a differing view.

The people you're aligned with are no different than the Taliban and ISIS. The Buddhist statues in Afghanistan were destroyed because they offended the Islamic faith of Taliban leaders. The ancient city of Palmyra in Syria was destroyed by ISIS because the pagan statues of empires past offended their religious and cultural sensibilities. How are your allies any different when they destroy statues during riots? You're not on the right side of history. You stand to be counted with the book burners and censors.
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
21722 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:24 am to
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It's inevitable. Stop shouting into the wind.


You do realize what the Third Reich did, don't you? Control the media, tear down statues and rewrite history, control the people with propaganda on it's way to communist dictatorship.

These kids don't want it because they feel oppressed by it or feel like it adds to racism....If they cared, they wouldn't have gone there to begin with.

They are a generation of participation trophies and being babied. They were taught that no matter what, they should get what they want. They were taught that it's more fun to protest everything regardless of what they believe. They have no sense of our freedom and our constitution. Just look at "Chaz."

They live in their hippie worlds of Kumbaya. They never traveled. They've never seen war and what the rest of the world is like. They think they can change the world with hugs....They were in diapers when 9/11 happened and blame the US for those terrorists. frick all that.

Change the buildings name, but still have your school on his plantation site? Yea, you really care....

This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 11:26 am
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
35942 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:25 am to
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jjdoc

A statue of Robert the Bruce in Stirling, Scotland. The man who liberated Scotland from the Plantagenet kings of England in the 14th century. The man who ruled Scotland 150+ years before the slave trade. The man who never met a black man. Whoever thinks this is about eradicating racism is an idiot. It is about controlling the speech, thoughts and actions of an entire population through shaming and guilting them into submission.

Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:32 am to
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Is it right that LivePD and Cops were cancelled? Is it right that the Church of the Highlands lease was cancelled because of a liked tweet? Is it right for people's lives to be ruined because of tweets or comments said years ago? Is it right for people to use bullying and blackmail to remove anything and everything they deem offensive, regardless of how many people have a differing view.

Fair enough

Now reconcile the above quote box with all the lives ruined or significantly impacted (lessened) because people were born with brown & black skin, now extrapolate that level of injustice over a 350 year period

The 1954 SCOTUS Decision outlawed Segregation, but the law wasn't instantly implemented, it was phased in over 15 to 20 years, so basically despite some exceptional Blacks rising above their circumstances, we've only had a "theoretically level playing field" for about 50 years of this Country's History and even then, there are areas where the playing field still isn't level

To summarize:

America, 350 years of gross injustice towards Minorities and the Indigenous Peoples

50 years of "theoretical equality"

Now if you don't understand why folks are protesting, then you are beyond helping at this point, you'll never learn
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53435 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:34 am to
YEp.. they are all marxist controlled USEFUL IDIOTS


The defector from the KGB pointed this out in the 80s!

Exactly what you are seeing right now has been known since the 60s.

As Yuri stated "they will be so indoctrinated that you can show them all of the proof, even photos and they will not believe it."

You can tell them all day long that this is a plan in action with factual documents from congress and they will dismiss it.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53435 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:41 am to
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Now if you don't understand why folks are protesting, then you are beyond helping at this point, you'll never learn





No, we 100% understand why they are committing crimes. There is a difference between a protest and destroying property. Period... Full stop.


We know, because they are being pushed by marxism. You were literally shown factual congressional record.

And you are agreeing with it.


I have asked before, what happens when they come for icons from my race because he was not perfect?

Because they will. They won't stop there because it is not ABOUT THAT! And the ones like you don't even understand that.


Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:02 pm to
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Now if you don't understand why folks are protesting, then you are beyond helping at this point, you'll never learn

I think you're beyond help, if things were so bad, people would be leaving the US instead we still have hundreds of thousands trying to move her legally or otherwise
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53435 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:13 pm to
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I think you're beyond help,


An activist that has no idea he's being used.


quote:

if things were so bad, people would be leaving the US


Or not attending those racist colleges because they are so traumatized by statues.



Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
5072 posts
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:19 pm to
It's a wonder why hardly anybody argues we should honor the biggest slavery proponents, most ardent segregationists, perpetrators of racial violence, and prominent Klan leaders simply because those people deserve to be honored.

It's always a deflection ("You're eliminating history - absurd) or slippery slope argument to some imaginary Hunger Games or Mad Max future that will never fricking happen. It's the same argument made for everything from cigarette bans to abolition itself, and it's always BS.
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