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re: Cincy and OU.... getting shafted
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:40 am to bamameister
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:40 am to bamameister
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Can't wait till we start watering down the field with 12.
Exactly this. 4 is best. If we HAVE to expand then no more than 6. It's dumb to go higher than that.
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Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:43 am to SouthernInsanity
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Cincinatti's schedule is puke worthy bad
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I never understood shitting on a school based on the conference they're in. You act like they can go out and schedule SEC teams for the entire year.
The post didn't say anything about their conference. It was said about their schedule. how many Nonconference games do they schedule? If they want in the playoffs they should schedule 3-4 P5 teams. Good teams.
Just about every other team in the conversation plays at leas 4 good teams, why shouldn't they?
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:50 am to SouthernInsanity
So you're saying that you'd take either Cinn or Okie even on a neutral field against Bama, right?
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:52 am to SouthernInsanity
Oklahoma is in if they win out. I guess they will have a beef at the end if they do lose a game but are a 1 loss power 5 champ and they let Georgia in over them if they lost the SECCG.
Cincy isn't going over the 1 loss power 5 champs (Wake Forest won't win out) though with how much disrespect they are showing Oklahoma now I wonder if they would consider it if the choice is a 1 loss Oklahoma or Cincy at the end. I would still lean to them taking Oklahoma but if ND wins out they will have the argument of a top 6 win on the road possibly.
Cincy isn't going over the 1 loss power 5 champs (Wake Forest won't win out) though with how much disrespect they are showing Oklahoma now I wonder if they would consider it if the choice is a 1 loss Oklahoma or Cincy at the end. I would still lean to them taking Oklahoma but if ND wins out they will have the argument of a top 6 win on the road possibly.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:54 am to SouthernInsanity
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I never understood shitting on a school based on the conference they're in. You act like they can go out and schedule SEC teams for the entire year.
Totally agree..... I just chuckle when I hear these armchair QB's. I do know that the bearcats looked pretty darn good last years bowl game against Georgia and should have won if it wasn't for bad clock management..... Of course the Georgia apologist will say they had multiple injuries or make some cockamamie excuse. I get sick and tired of hearing about how bad ones schedule as the only thing that matters is win baby, win. I saw Cincy's games this year and they can compete with anyone...... Good solid starters (especially the defensive back 7) but thin on depth as most AAC teams are. The CFB schedule is long and even the best play down to their competition at times, just look at Alabama at home against a really bad LSU. Anyway, I hope Cincy wins out and goes to the playoffs as they are a real Cinderella team, and it's refreshing to see this story for a change.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:56 am to SouthernInsanity
Posted on 11/10/21 at 11:01 am to SouthernInsanity
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I never understood shitting on a school based on the conference they're in. You act like they can go out and schedule SEC teams for the entire year.
I mean yeah. They cant but its also not fair to the programs that do have SEC teams on their schedule every year. Cincinnati agreed to this playoff format.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 11:28 am to CrabInMyShoeMouth
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Oregon in at 3 because of one win over Ohio St. is a joke. Ohio St.'s opponents outside of Oregon barely have a combined win % over 40. Oregon lost to Stanford and has been skirting by weaker conference competition, similar to OU and Cincy. This is the best argument for Cincy or OU being in, Oregon being out. It's ridiculous to prop them up for Ohio St.
Oregon honestly should be ranked 2. Everyone and I mean everyone outside of Georgia looks very questionable this year. Oregon winning at Ohio State is easily the best win of the season and there isn't a close second.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 11:51 am to DawgsLife
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how many Nonconference games do they schedule? If they want in the playoffs they should schedule 3-4 P5 teams. Good teams.
Luckily they aren't bama and have to play that juggernaut nonconference schedule.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 11:58 am to Hback
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But they're the best 1-8 team in the country
I do feel kind bad for Tulane and do think they're better than their 1-8 record. They're still not good, but they're better than their record would indicate. Had a shot to beat Oklahoma, were only down at 2 at halftime against Cincinnati, were beating UCF all game until a late score in the 4th, were up on Houston until late in the third and then fell apart, and only lost to UAB by a touchdown.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 12:52 pm to SouthernInsanity
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Luckily they aren't bama and have to play that juggernaut nonconference schedule.
Don't you think Alabama plays a pretty tough conference schedule most years to make up for it?
Cincinnati does not. That is why they have to play a tough noncon schedule.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 1:54 pm to DawgsLife
To me, it does appear that Cincy has tried to schedule a tough non-conference schedule. They did well to get ND and Indiana scheduled this year. I agree that they'll probably need to wait until they're in the Big 12 to be taken more seriously. But they do have a shot this year.
As an OU fan, I know that Oklahoma tries to schedule one big-name non-conf game a year, as well as one decent team and one cupcake. The big name this year was supposed to be Nebraska. Who knew they'd fall so far when this game was scheduled about a decade ago? Those are the breaks when big matchups are scheduled so far ahead.
Also, NU has shown by playing multiple top teams very close all year that they're a pretty decent team who just seems to be allergic to winning.
OU has gotten themselves into this position with poor play for most of the year, partly due to Rattler's regression and partly because of a depleted defensive backfield with a lack of experienced backups. They also like to sleepwalk through the first halves of games. That's on them.
They're getting their starters back at the right time, and it appears to be helping. I'm not sure it'll be enough to survive this November schedule, but I have no fear of being left out of the playoff should OU win out.
The committee has gotten the final rankings right every year in my opinion. Sure, there have been a couple of times when #4 could be argued, but until they make an obviously poor choice, I'm not buying into any conspiracy theories.
As an OU fan, I know that Oklahoma tries to schedule one big-name non-conf game a year, as well as one decent team and one cupcake. The big name this year was supposed to be Nebraska. Who knew they'd fall so far when this game was scheduled about a decade ago? Those are the breaks when big matchups are scheduled so far ahead.
Also, NU has shown by playing multiple top teams very close all year that they're a pretty decent team who just seems to be allergic to winning.
OU has gotten themselves into this position with poor play for most of the year, partly due to Rattler's regression and partly because of a depleted defensive backfield with a lack of experienced backups. They also like to sleepwalk through the first halves of games. That's on them.
They're getting their starters back at the right time, and it appears to be helping. I'm not sure it'll be enough to survive this November schedule, but I have no fear of being left out of the playoff should OU win out.
The committee has gotten the final rankings right every year in my opinion. Sure, there have been a couple of times when #4 could be argued, but until they make an obviously poor choice, I'm not buying into any conspiracy theories.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 2:06 pm to umop sujoH
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To me, it does appear that Cincy has tried to schedule a tough non-conference schedule. They did well to get ND and Indiana scheduled this year. I agree that they'll probably need to wait until they're in the Big 12 to be taken more seriously. But they do have a shot this year.
Two teams? It will take more than that. Take your team. They play a reasonable schedule just by way of your conference compared to Cincy. Cincy, UCF, Boise....all those teams are going to have to load their schedules up in noncon games just to be talked about. How cam we dismiss Pac 12 teams and give the G5 teams a pass.
The problem is when those teams are weak they stick with their easy conference games then weak noncon games. When they build up and have good teams they then want to be taken seriously. They have to play tough noncon games in every noncon game. They can't schedule 1-2 good conf games and have 10 really bad games and expect to be taken seriously.
Try going through the SEC with Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia, Texas A&M and Florida. I mean Auburn does exactly that some years. Then Cincinnati walks in and wants to be in the playoffs because they scheduled Indiana (who until last season rarely had a decent team) Last season was the second winning season Indiana has had in the last 25 years. Sorry. They don't get extra credit for putting Indiana on their schedule.
This post was edited on 11/10/21 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 11/10/21 at 2:07 pm to SouthernInsanity
OU is in if they win out or are 1 loss Conference Champions. It's like people on here haven't been paying attention the last 7 years.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 2:12 pm to DawgsLife
I think the problem for a lot of G5 teams who become good G5 teams is that good P5 teams no longer want to schedule them because it's kind of a lose-lose situation for them. They don't get as much credit for beating them as much as losing to those teams would hurt them. Not to mention, if they can get a good P5 program to agree to play them, they generally have to go on the road in a non "pay for play" scenario. When G5 programs are already just trying to break even financially in their AD, sacrificing a home game (much less 3+ home games to play road P5 teams) is a tough ask financially.
I think the only solution to give all programs something to play for is going to be to split P5 and G5 into two separate divisions playing for two different titles. Expanding the playoffs may get one undefeated G5 team in some years, but they're never going to get a true fair shake if they aspire to actually play for national championships.
I think the only solution to give all programs something to play for is going to be to split P5 and G5 into two separate divisions playing for two different titles. Expanding the playoffs may get one undefeated G5 team in some years, but they're never going to get a true fair shake if they aspire to actually play for national championships.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 2:17 pm to DawgsLife
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Two teams? It will take more than that.
I agree with you. I meant that even if they wanted to schedule all elite opponents for their non-conference games, it would be quite difficult to actually work out those deals and get them on the schedule.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 2:27 pm to lsufball19
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I think the problem for a lot of G5 teams who become good G5 teams is that good P5 teams no longer want to schedule them because it's kind of a lose-lose situation for them.
Absolutely this. I'm also in total agreement with everything else you said.
Just as a side note: OU played Cincy in 2008. They were not meant to be the big game on the non-conference schedule, but Cincinnati turned out to be pretty good that year. It greatly helped OU get into the Big 12 Championship game for the tiebreaker over Texas...and subsequently, the NC game.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 2:36 pm to ronricks
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OU is in if they win out or are 1 loss Conference Champions. It's like people on here haven't been paying attention the last 7 years.
I don't know if OU is a lock this year if they drop a game. The poor showings against Tulane and Kansas will continue to loom over those committee discussions.
I hope you're right though.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 2:44 pm to ColoradoAg
A&M fans talking about OU not playing worthy a Damn LOL
Posted on 11/10/21 at 2:47 pm to DawgsLife
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Don't you think Alabama plays a pretty tough conference schedule most years to make up for it?
So here's an example of people blaming Cincy for the conference they are in.
Yes, bama plays a tough CONFERENCE SCHEDULE.... like most in the SECW.
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