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re: Cincy and OU.... getting shafted
Posted on 11/10/21 at 3:00 pm to umop sujoH
Posted on 11/10/21 at 3:00 pm to umop sujoH
They are trying to get back at OU for going to Sec . If you see how many Big 12 ties there is on the committee…. One…. The big ten has 4 ties …. So you wonder why that crappy league has 3 one loss teams in front of a team that ho has won 16 straight and from a conference who went 6-0 in bowl games and 2-0 in New Years six bowl game…. Problem is if we win out they won’t be able to justify it anymore.
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Posted on 11/10/21 at 5:44 pm to lsufball19
quote:Very good point, and I think you are probably right. There's always somebody out there, I would think. I get they might have to start slow and build up.
I think the problem for a lot of G5 teams who become good G5 teams is that good P5 teams no longer want to schedule them because it's kind of a lose-lose situation for them.
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I think the only solution to give all programs something to play for is going to be to split P5 and G5 into two separate divisions playing for two different titles. Expanding the playoffs may get one undefeated G5 team in some years, but they're never going to get a true fair shake if they aspire to actually play for national championships.
OR, maybe have the two separate titles then the winners play each other? That might be interesting, too.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 5:56 pm to SouthernInsanity
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So here's an example of people blaming Cincy for the conference they are in.
I think you are missing the entire point. What I am saying is that Alabama doesn't necessarily have to schedule big OOC opponents, because they play a tough conference schedule. but Cincy should counteract that by playing a tough OOC schedule. I mean you can't ignore that a team plays absolutely nobody because they are in a weak conference...but they can dampen it with their OOC schedule.
If you are going to criticize Alabama for a weak OOC schedule, then you HAVE to criticize Cincinnati for playing a weak OOC schedule, too, don't you?
At least Alabama plays 3-4 ranked teams every year.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 6:20 pm to DawgsLife
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Exactly this. 4 is best. If we HAVE to expand then no more than 6. It's dumb to go higher than that.
It's only "dumb" because the poll system and BCS taught us to believe that a small group of people know best who should be champion.
Imagine if we did that for basketball. March Madness would suck.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 12:02 am to halfadolla50
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Oregon honestly should be ranked 2. Everyone and I mean everyone outside of Georgia looks very questionable this year. Oregon winning at Ohio State is easily the best win of the season and there isn't a close second.
There really isn't a single game OSU can point towards as a defining NC contending performance.
Transitive property says same for Oregon. What is it about narrow wins against hardly or barely bowl eligible teams that get this committee off? It's a sham. Thinking Oregon is the second best team in the country is not the worst take I've heard. Half of the SEC would beat them.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 7:04 am to jonnyanony
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It's only "dumb" because the poll system and BCS taught us to believe that a small group of people know best who should be champion.
Sorry, but that's an awful take. Name all the teams you think had a legit chance to win a National Championship last year. The year before?
By the end of the season we have a very good idea who the strong and weak teams are. We rarely even have 4 teams that could legitimately win the title.
quote:Two different sports. There is a reason Basketball plays 25-35 games and football plays 12 during their regular seasons.
magine if we did that for basketball. March Madness would suck.
I'll use your logic on you. Imagine a football team playing 35 games a year.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 7:46 am to DawgsLife
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I mean you can't ignore that a team plays absolutely nobody because they are in a weak conference...but they can dampen it with their OOC schedule.
If you are going to criticize Alabama for a weak OOC schedule, then you HAVE to criticize Cincinnati for playing a weak OOC schedule, too, don't you? ?
At least Alabama plays 3-4 ranked teams every year.
They played 2 P5 teams OOC on the road.
Who is doing that in the SEC? I'm not talking neutral sight games BTW.
You think P5 teams are lining up to schedule Cincinnati? You think they wanna go home and home with em?
Bama has to play those ranked teams because they're conference games but just like Cincinnati, I really don't think other P5 teams are lining up to play Bama OOC.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 8:29 am to RD Dawg
The other issue I have is Cincy is only ranked as high as they are because how over inflated ND is in the rankings. Anyone that defends Cincy uses their best win against ND as their basis but yet ND should not be in the top 10.
ND 8 wins include only 3 teams above .500. Two are 6-3 and one is 5-4. Just amazes me people will criticize other teams in the top 10 about who they play and how close their games are to justify Cincy.
ND 8 wins include only 3 teams above .500. Two are 6-3 and one is 5-4. Just amazes me people will criticize other teams in the top 10 about who they play and how close their games are to justify Cincy.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:01 am to DawgsLife
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Sorry, but that's an awful take. Name all the teams you think had a legit chance to win a National Championship last year. The year before?
Nope. This is again the "they told me who's best, I'll just take their word for it" mentality.
A #1 or #2 seed wins the NCAA BB championship a lot, but not always.
And if they're so assuredly going to win, what's the harm in giving one more game?
I contend we'd have a lot of upsets and a lot more fun.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:03 am to SouthernInsanity
Oklahoma controls it's own destiny, so if it's meant to be they're getting in. They need to step it the frick up though, but if they win out they're in.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:36 am to jonnyanony
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Nope. This is again the "they told me who's best, I'll just take their word for it" mentality.
Ok. Then you should easily be able to answer my previous question.
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Name all the teams you think had a legit chance to win a National Championship last year. The year before?
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:40 am to JustinOKC
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Oklahoma controls it's own destiny, so if it's meant to be they're getting in. They need to step it the frick up though, but if they win out they're in.
You made the big move that needed to be made. Making Williams the QB was a good move and obviously the right move. It will be interesting to see if Riley can develop him. Whether right or wrong, all of his QBs that have been very successful have been transfers. His first QB he had to develop was Rattler and that turned out badly. Don't misunderstand...that might have been Rattlers fault and not Lincoln's, but Lincoln needs for Williams to show improvement year over year or questions will pop up about his being able to develop QBs, whether those questions are fair or not. It will be interesting. And yes....if Oklahoma can win out they will be in the playoffs.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 9:49 am to DawgsLife
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Whether right or wrong, all of his QBs that have been very successful have been transfers.
Oh this is definitely talked about often here in Norman on game days. Rattler is a talented quarterback, the attitude and leadership are what was lacking in my opinion with him. Caleb's just a different animal altogether and we will see what Lincoln might be able to do. Being a true freshman, expectations have to be realistic this year but what he walked into in Dallas back in October is pretty impressive.
We will see. This definitely is not a championship year for Oklahoma, but hopefully with these upcoming recruiting classes and an experienced Caleb Williams they might be able to compete consistently in the SEC. If we move over in the next 1 to 2 years.
This post was edited on 11/11/21 at 9:51 am
Posted on 11/11/21 at 10:01 am to JustinOKC
Williams definitely looks legit. It will be interesting. And yes, expectations will have to be tempered with a freshman QB, but he looks good right now.
People will troll Oklahoma on here, but everybody knows that Oklahoma is a legit program. You'll need to prove yourself, for sure....much like Georgia needs to.
People will troll Oklahoma on here, but everybody knows that Oklahoma is a legit program. You'll need to prove yourself, for sure....much like Georgia needs to.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 10:04 am to SouthernInsanity
I say you put cinci in to prove a point. If they don't belong they get annihilated and lost all talk for future.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 10:06 am to DawgsLife
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ame all the teams you think had a legit chance to win a National Championship last year. The year before?
Why do you think this is a difficult question?
Most years _any_ team in the top 6-8 could throw an upset and change the playoffs.
2020: TAMU
2018: ND, UGA
2017: OSU, Wisonsin
Posted on 11/11/21 at 10:07 am to HailToTheChiz
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I say you put cinci in to prove a point. If they don't belong they get annihilated and lost all talk for future.
Exactly. If this is such a guaranteed outcome, let them in and give us more football.
My hunch? You'll see someone from #5-#8 win the whole thing in the first five years.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 10:56 am to TideWarrior
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Anyone that defends Cincy uses their best win against ND as their basis but yet ND should not be in the top 10
Who has the most quality wins in the top 10? I'm not sure any team can make an argument there and its a pretty complex rabbit hole to go down.BTW, I was defending the scheduling of Cincinnati more than anything but beating ND on the road was certainly a quality win.
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ND 8 wins include only 3 teams above .500. Two are 6-3 and one is 5-4. Just amazes me people will criticize other teams in the top 10 about who they play and how close their games are to justify Cincy
It's exactly what yoy're doing with Cincinnati.
This post was edited on 11/11/21 at 11:42 am
Posted on 11/11/21 at 11:22 am to RD Dawg
WORst case scenario for the CFP ...that might actually happen....
Both Cincinnati and ND get into the playoff..... both will go undefeated the rest of the way with their weak schedules...both are probably worthy of a rating of 28 to 30.....
Both Cincinnati and ND get into the playoff..... both will go undefeated the rest of the way with their weak schedules...both are probably worthy of a rating of 28 to 30.....
Posted on 11/11/21 at 2:19 pm to Zgeo
I can see Cincinnati dropping the road game at SMU in a couple weeks
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