re: Cincy and OU.... getting shafted

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This is nonsensical.

If they can upset they can absolutely win.

Any given Saturday.

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Not really. For the #12 team to win the championship they would have to have 2-3 upsets, at least.

Same for the bottom 5-6 teams. Upsets happen, but rarely does a team have three upsets against top 5 teams.

Granted Purdue has 2 so far, but one of those was against Iowa, and I think it is safe to say they probably would not make a 12 team playoff, and if they did theyw ould be the ones needing the upsets.

Right now the bottom 6 teams would be:

7. Michigan State
8. Oklahoma
9. Notre Dame
10. Oklahoma State
11. Texas A&M
12. Wake Forest


I would say most of those teams are CAPABLE of pulling off an upset. None are capable of pulling off 2-3 upsets in a row over top 5 teams.

I don't think ND or Wake Forest is capable. I don't remember the last time ND pulled off an upset against a top team, and Wake Forest?
Like I said. the rest is capable of pulling off one upset, but are just as capable of flopping for 2-3 games afterward to top 5 teams. (Most of them are more likely to be upset than to upset somebody.)

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I thing, jmo.. but it seems clear.. they have a selection order.

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So why isn't OU ahead of Ohio State or Oregon now?

Ohio State is about to play two top tens and possibly a ranked team in the BIG CG if they neat UM
and MSU. On what planet does OU jump ahead of them if both win out? There is no conceivable way.

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Because the committee for 7 years has repeatedly said they don’t factor in championship until there are some champions.. and that those trump as do undefeated P5.

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You have this direct quote?

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thing, jmo.. but it seems clear.. they have a selection order.

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Every year is fluid and outside of
the SEC champion getting an auto bid, I don't think there's any "selection order"

Do you think if Wake Forest had gone undefeated they'd get in over
a 1 loss Ohio State or Bama or even Oregon?

Not a chance in hell.

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will know more after this weekend, but the way A&M is playing they could make a run into the finals in the expanded playoff scenario. Momentum is a hell of a drug.

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Always a possibility, and I meant no offense to A&M. You guys have a good team this and last year. I just don't think you are ready to play top 5 teams 3-4 weeks in a row and win. It would be a tough row to hoe, so to speak. Tough for anybody, for that matter.

I think my complaint is it is a big honor to make the playoffs and, for most teams, a rare happening. Put 12 in there and all of a sudden it isn't special anymore and we will have worse matchups.

With the top 4 teams we have blowouts almost every year. Pit #1 against #12 and we will have a ton more blowouts.

Keep it 1-4, then matchup 5-12 in the major bowls and you will typically have better and closer matchups. yes, blowouts will still happen, but no more so than 1 vs. 12, etc.

My opinion. I know ti isn't a popular one.

and I think everyone agrees there are plenty of teams in the Country that can beat OU. Expanding playoffs exposes teams when they don't face a mediocre conference.

you are right about having to play multiple top level teams but that creates your "cinderella teams" like March Madness.

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you are right about having to play multiple top level teams but that creates your "cinderella teams" like March Madness.

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I get what you are saying, but people keep wanting to compare football playoffs to March Madness. Football and basketball are completely different animals, imo.

There is a reason college basketball plays 25-35 games a year and football plays 12-15. The wear and tear on the body is so much more. You can go on an extended tear in basketball.....not so much in football. It's tougher to play 3-5 top ranked teams in football than it is to play 3-5 in basketball, imo.

I've not seen a "lesser" team pull off 3-5 upsets in a row to top teams in football. They are usually exposed very quickly.

Hey. Thsi si just my opinion. Not a problem at all if you disagree.

I guess my fear is this.

First people said we need a 4 team playoff.
Now they are saying that's not enough, we need a 12 team playoff. Next people will want a 16 team playoff or more.

The problem is we really don't get that many good match ups with a 4 team playoff. Are they interesting? yes. But when somebody starts to get blown out on a regular basis (and they will based on playoff history) people will quickly stop paying attention.

I mean, do we really need an Alabama or Georgia playoff game against Wake Forest?

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yea its tough and I agree with everything you are saying. People are losing interest in seeing the exact same teams in the playoffs every year.

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I agree, too. Maybe we will have a different look this year. If we can get by Alabama in the SECCG, we will be missing Alabama and Clemson....and I really think Ohio State will get beat, too.

I kind of expect the playoffs to consist of Georgia, Oregon, Cincinnati and a BIG 12 team of some sort.

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The path to the playoff currently is not the same for every conference. A 1-2 loss SEC team could stand toe to toe with other conference champions but they will never have a shot at proving they deserve to be in the playoff. Such a disparity in talent levels from conference to conference.

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This is true. But I just don't see how there could have been any other outcome than what we saw in most of the years. I think the best 4 teams have been chosen for the playoffs every year, and i honestly don't think a #5-#12 team would have made things different except for having more blowouts.

yea I am almost arguing on who gets to play in the playoff but not the actual winner. No one was going to beat Bama or LSU the last two years. Same can be said for Clemson prior.

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I don't see them winning out in the Big XII helping them to leap frog either if all 3 go undefeated..especially Ohio State.

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Huh?!?! Oklahoma State is ranked 10th right now, and will more than likely be ranked higher by the time OU plays them. Baylor is currently ranked 13th. Then, OU will likely play one of these teams again in the championship game and will still be a ranked opponent. If you're thinking an undefeated OU after that wouldn't get in, especially after Ohio State lost at home and struggled at against Tulsa at home, you're crazy!

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They've beat two ranked teams and if you wanna look at the schedules

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I guess beating two team 6-3 is an elite schedule.

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What's to "dive into?"

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But again not my point as I agree anyone in top 10 including UGA does not have a great resume. My point is the media has picked apart every team in the top 10 outside of UGA, Cincy, and ND in regards to their schedule. Talked about how weak they were or how they barely one. Now UGA is the exception because they have looked far better then anyone they have played and deserving #1.

But Cincy even with a close win this past weekend is not getting measured by the media the same way. They were one call away from possibly dropping a game to a very bad 3-6 Tulsa team. That does not hurt them but yet an undefeated OU gets hammered in the media for having close games or anyone else in the top 10 except Cincy and ND. I have yet to hear anyone in the media dive into ND schedule like they do the rest of the top 10. They have beaten 2 teams that are 6-3 that are their best wins but yet it will not be discussed except how good of a team they are to justify the crusade by the media to push Cincy up and into the playoffs.