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re: Can we talk about analytics?

Posted on 12/5/22 at 11:29 am to
Posted by LSUgrad88
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 11:29 am to
Are you actually surprised that there are dumb arse comments from people on a message board?? If so, your ability to function might need to be questioned.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 11:30 am to
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Are you actually surprised that there are dumb arse comments from people on a message board??


of course not, where did I say I was surprised? I said it's a great source of entertainment. Nothing surprising about it.

eta: what I also said was that it's "surprising" that some of these people that make these posts can presumably lead normal lives considering the jawdroppingly horrendous nature of their posts
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 11:31 am
Posted by LSUgrad88
Member since Jun 2009
6767 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 11:33 am to
I can’t disagree with that. Reading the in game threads makes you shake your head. It’s become nothing but a troll fest.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
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86469 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 11:34 am to
I'd also point out it's obviously not just LSU fans, it's all message boards.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41675 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 11:36 am to
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LSU wasn't giving up in spite of our attempts to run out the clock.

I agree with everything else you said, but this was odd. No one lets you kill clock for entire half of football. You play the game
I agree: you play the game. That was actually my point. LSU was right to not roll over and give up. But, when you're slinging the ball down the field and scoring within a few minutes, that means the other side needs to think about how they want to finish the game. The 2-point conversion was part of that plan. It wasn't a spite move.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41675 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 11:37 am to
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Again show me any fan base that would not get riled up when a coach calls a trick play on a 2 point conversion up 4 scores with a quarter to go. Not saying it’s justified, but it’s always going to happen. If it were flipped most of your fan base would be pissed as well.
I understand the emotional aspect of it, and I don't disagree. I'm just saying that emotions aren't rational, and that's why we need to have the rational discussion after the emotions have worn off.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20379 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 11:41 am to
"Analytics" is a strange thing. Maybe I'm old-school, but I just wouldn't think a 2 pt conversion is in play, unless the margin is funny somewhere (like say, you're down by 8, or 1, etc if you score). It's an established sport, we're used to a certain pattern of points. If you're down by 4, a TD puts you up by 3, and giving up a FG would only tie, not beat you. Yada yada.

I think Lane does what he does, to make the other coach uncomfortable or distracted... he's trying to alter the normal scoring pattern.
Not digging too much into that, but maybe Kelly was trying to do the same, change the tempo and put some hesitancy into the final playcall.
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
12066 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 12:53 pm to
Yup, agreed.

Now go turn Ohio into roadkill
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:05 pm to
Good attempt to justify something you know is wrong. now go back and look at the massive celebration in the booth afterwards and your little bitch mocking dance after the game.

This clearly wasn’t about analytics and was puzzling to us as we had no beef with you at all, historically or otherwise. And they both are former employees of LSU.

That said your coaches started this shite and just like the “cigar incident” and we aren’t ever going to forgot it, and we are now in “full vendetta” from here on, so buckle up buttercup it’s going to be a wild ride. Everything in every sport and by every fan is justified now.


This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 1:08 pm
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:07 pm to
And Geaux Buckeyes and I hope our staff is doing anything and everything they can to help them prepare for the game, we should be lending them our LSU jets
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86469 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:13 pm to
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o back and look at the massive celebration in the booth afterwards


people usually cheer when their team scores

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your little bitch mocking dance after the game.



celebtrating inside the locker room after winning a title has exactly...what to do with the topic?

quote:

That said your coaches started this shite and just like the “cigar incident” and we aren’t ever going to forgot it, and we are now in “full vendetta” from here on



Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27298 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:14 pm to
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Kirby said it has been in the playbook for years. It may have been one of coach Beamer's installations


I believe OU used it on us and I think they got it from Boise State.

For whatever reason I've heard announcers refer to it as the "Philly special" but the Eagles used it long after Oklahoma.

I believe Beamer was on the OU staff the next year.

Posted by DirtyDawg
President of the East Cobb Snobs
Member since Aug 2013
15539 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:21 pm to
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Kirby's decision to go for two and make it a 3 possession game... that's 3 TDs w/2PT conversation... had nothing to do with analytics. Sell that bullshite to an aggie fand tell them it's the key to winning a championship.... but don't piss on my shoe and try to convince me i stepped in water.



Go look up a single "Go for 2" chart that every coach carries around, and maybe you'll not look so ignorant and stupid.

Y'all are just arse hurt as frick that Georgia's "inept" offense led by a former walk-on hung half a hundred in the same game the great Burrow could only manage 37.

Oh, and we did that with only 5 passing attempts in the 2nd half. We weren't running it up, we were assfricking y'all even with our vanilla runs.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52542 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:26 pm to
I don't have a problem with going for it but it seems kind of dumb to show a play like that when you don't need to.
Posted by LSUgrad88
Member since Jun 2009
6767 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:30 pm to
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don't have a problem with going for it but it seems kind of dumb to show a play like that when you don't need to.


This to me is the only real interesting point of the whole 2 point conversation.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44838 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:37 pm to
Calm down, sugar tits.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90600 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:38 pm to
Analytics has become a go to excuse to dismiss poor coaching decisions

It’s cost coaches more games than it has won from what I’ve seen
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:52 pm to
Burrow went out in 3rd Qtr bitch and could have hung 70 on you easy mfer. Next time we will be going for 2, throwing bombs and onside kicks with little time left, maybe we can drown some bulldogs puppies for breakfast the next day. You bitches don’t have any rivals but Auburn so you have no clue how to play this game. You will learn
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 1:55 pm
Posted by SouthernInsanity
Shadows of Death Valley
Member since Nov 2012
18726 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 2:26 pm to
Looked at the chart... saw nothing in relation to sportsmanship, but of well. Go back and watch Les mercy knee ole miss with something like 5min left.

But hey.... kirby needed style points.
Posted by twk
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jul 2011
2122 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 3:44 pm to
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You need to get the facts straight here. When Kelly went for two they had scored to cut the lead to 19. He went for two to try and make it 17 which meant he then would need two TD’s and a field goal to tie. If he kicks the extra point and makes it 18 there it means he would then need two TDs, one 2-point conversion and a field goal to tie. It made perfect sense to go for two then as he had to get at least one 2 pointer to put a field goal into play as the tying score. Why wait? If he misses it on the first try, he still can go for two on the next two TDs and still keep the FG in play. If he waits til the third TD to try the 2-pointer and misses it, then he needs a TD. Again, why wait.
They were trailing by 25 before they scored that touchdown. That's the facts. When you trail by 25, you're going to need 3 TD's, including one two point conversion, to even hope to tie it up with a FG. If you go for two the first time and miss it, now, you're going to have to convert consecutive 2 point attempts, missing either of which means you will need four touchdowns, instead of the 3 you were needing when it was 42-17. You want to keep the pressure up on the other side as long as possible. What team trailing by 15 goes for two when they score to cut it to 9? No one. They kick the extra point to cut it to 8, then go for 2 if they get another TD.
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