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re: Buy or sell over the next 5 years: Texas & Oklahoma football
Posted on 7/5/23 at 7:07 am to Harry Rex Vonner
Posted on 7/5/23 at 7:07 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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Norman is ugly as hell compared to most other SEC cities, and SEC recruits will take notice
They ain’t come here to play tree admirin’, Harry
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 7:29 am to Naked Bootleg
Are Aggies really comparing recruiting rankings for 24 in early July? Lol
Bama ain’t in the top 25 just like last year and ended up with the highest class in history.
Bama ain’t in the top 25 just like last year and ended up with the highest class in history.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 7:42 am to NotImber
SELL, especially Oklahoma.
Texas and OU are going to find out that life in the SEC is a different animal, much like Penn State & Nebraska found out that life in the Big 10 was a different animal.
Texas and OU are going to find out that life in the SEC is a different animal, much like Penn State & Nebraska found out that life in the Big 10 was a different animal.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:07 am to Fishing Fanatic
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Texas and OU are going to find out that life in the SEC is a different animal
Jesus......
The SEC has 2 elite fb teams and 2 very good fb teams. The rest of you suck and need to quit acting like you matter.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:24 am to Captain Insano
quote:You know your athletic department is in rough shape if you have to result to boasting about recruiting class rankings 5 months out from the first signing day
Current recruiting rankings:
Texas A&M: 9
Texas: 28
Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:26 am to Scoob
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If I were a Sooner fan, I'd be really apprehensive right now. When you jump to another conference, a lot of your past history goes out the window with recruits, and they look to see where you fit in with the new group. And unfortunately Lincoln Riley threw a grenade into the program, at the worst possible moment. OU hasn't been this unsettled since before Stoops came in.
This is obviously made-up nonsense you pulled straight out of your arse in some moronic attempt to dismiss OU's history.
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Penn State entered the Big 10 while on a high note, and competed well against Michigan and Ohio State. They settled into the top tier. Nebraska was beginning to implode when they jumped in, and now they're locked into mediocrity. They have lost all national cred, and have gone into a death spiral.
Penn State entered the BIG in 1990. Absolutely NOTHING changed for them and they continued to win at their historical pace. They entered a slump from 2000-2004 and re-emerged in 2005 to win 11 games. Under Franklin they've had four 11 win seasons. They currently have four B1G conference champion trophies. Not bad for a team in a tough conference that isn't a national power.
Penn State had a good run in the 70s and through the 80s and then they fell off a little bit. They were never a historical national power so I don't know why you're yammering about them in the first place. Like I said above, they've had four 11 win seasons under Franklin and just won the Rose Bowl last season. That's hardly a "muh death spiral".
As for "Nerbraskee!".......they imploded long before they entered the B1G. They never successfully made the jump from old school option football (their identity) to a more modern style and couldn't recruit for it.
Miami put the final nail in their coffin in the 2001 title game by crushing their old school option football team and sending them into a spiraling identity crisis from which they have yet to recover. They spent the next decade in the BIG XII mired in mediocrity and joined the B1G in 2011 in an already degraded state. Their struggles aren't new, and have nothing to do with them changing conferences.
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I'm glad LSU got Kelly, even though LSU had been established within the SEC already. And I know Kelly may not be the very best, but he's structured, solid and professional- you don't want the Orgeron thing going on when you shuffle the standings.
Who has an "Orgeron thing" going on?
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Texas also better hope they get their act together; they're not coming in as the longtime favorite and owner of the conference. There's a chance they can get relegated to Aggie level, or worse.
Sounds like they're already in your head to me, for some reason.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:44 am to dchog
I am a big SEC fan who has lived in Big 12 country for a long time and seen a lot of Big 12 football. There is something about the type of players that come out of the state of Texas…
As far as offensive skill positions they are elite, tons of great, pro level prospects everywhere…but their defensive recruits are far from elite…these Big 12 teams seldom produce pro level corners, safeties or d lineman…until teams recognize this and recruit elsewhere for defensive talent, they will always be knocked around by the SEC…
I blame the 7on7 type approach that high schools in Texas seem to run…not physical, run and gun…
With that being said…sell on both.
As far as offensive skill positions they are elite, tons of great, pro level prospects everywhere…but their defensive recruits are far from elite…these Big 12 teams seldom produce pro level corners, safeties or d lineman…until teams recognize this and recruit elsewhere for defensive talent, they will always be knocked around by the SEC…
I blame the 7on7 type approach that high schools in Texas seem to run…not physical, run and gun…
With that being said…sell on both.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:48 am to SneezyBeltranIsHere
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The SEC has 2 elite fb teams and 2 very good fb teams. The rest of you suck and need to quit acting like you matter.
The SEC is far more physical than the BIG12.
The grind of playing physical football every week takes its toll.
Nebraska found that out when they moved to the BIG10.
Penn State found out that grinding against big physical teams every week in the BIG10 was a lot rougher than being an independent and scheduling 3 tough games surrounded by cup cakes.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:25 am to Fishing Fanatic
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Nebraska found that out when they moved to the BIG10.
Penn State found out that grinding against big physical teams every week in the BIG10 was a lot rougher than being an independent and scheduling 3 tough games surrounded by cup cakes.
None of this is true.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:32 am to Fishing Fanatic
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Penn State found out that grinding against big physical teams every week in the BIG10 was a lot rougher than being an independent and scheduling 3 tough games surrounded by cup cakes.
It’s been good for Penn State. The last game I watched they looked a lot more like a physical, big-time SEC program than the one they were embarrassing on their home field.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:41 am to thekid
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these Big 12 teams seldom produce pro level corners, safeties or d lineman…until teams recognize this and recruit elsewhere for defensive talent, they will always be knocked around by the SEC…
There’s pro talent at those positions all over TX, but I think you’re right on the 7v7 getting more emphasis than trenches. Thankfully, that’s now changing and big uglies camps have exploded recently.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 10:57 am
Posted on 7/5/23 at 10:56 am to BevoBucks
I think the 7v7 thing is overstated. Every football crazed state has 7v7. Texas high school coaches optimize for the personnel they have access to. And Texas does not produce freaky athletic 300 pounders at the same rate as states that bred humans for size and strength for over a hundred years.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:05 am to thekid
A simple google search and I found 7v7 football camps all over the South. Y'all just make this shite up as you go don't you?
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 11:09 am
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:15 am to CharlotteSooner
SEC is tailor made for Texas.
Baseball will remain strong.
Basketball will remain strong.
Football will improve because no recruiting impediments.
SEC basically gaining a Director's Cup a few times a decade.
Baseball will remain strong.
Basketball will remain strong.
Football will improve because no recruiting impediments.
SEC basically gaining a Director's Cup a few times a decade.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:40 am to CharlotteSooner
I said 7x7 style of play…didn’t mean that HS play 7on 7 but the prevalence of this “style” predicates how the 11player teams play. Not very physical, run and gun, best athletes choosing offense, etc.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:00 pm to thekid
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I said 7x7 style of play…didn’t mean that HS play 7on 7 but the prevalence of this “style” predicates how the 11player teams play. Not very physical, run and gun, best athletes choosing offense, etc.
So if we agree that physicality generally beats finesse, why hasn't some clever Texas high school coach taken that formula and won a bunch of state titles beating the weak, non-physical finesse Texas teams?
It's the personnel.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:03 pm to PerrillouxToTexas
Let's not make it personnel.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:07 pm to thekid
Your last Natty team sure looked a lot like a 7v7 team. I'm just sayin'....
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:27 pm to RyDawg
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Good luck going in to Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Carolina, Tennessee, Louisiana, Mississippi etc and convincing kids to commit to your school (you know… the states your games will be played in away from home and where your theoretical footprint should be)
That's okay. We still have the state of Texas - like we've always had forever - to recruit from, Mr. High and Mighty.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:34 pm to hawgfaninc
I don't care for either, but I have to buy OU and sell Texas.
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