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re: Brian Kelly flipped LSU football on its head
Posted on 1/13/22 at 10:14 am to aggressor
Posted on 1/13/22 at 10:14 am to aggressor
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I don't think the fact he is Irish Catholic from Boston is that much of a factor. I think the bigger issue is he grew up a rich kid from a political family and is an elitist. He can't relate well with most athletes outside of white kids from the private schools. It's why he has always let his assistants do most of the recruiting. That's going to be interesting to see how it plays out because guys like Saban and Jimbo get VERY personally involved with recruiting. I remember it cost A&M some guys when we had Sumlin as he simply got outhustled by Saban and others who spent the time to get personal relationships with recruits while Sumlin really didn't.
The reality is if he wins none of it matters. It will all be lost in the wash. The only way it matters is if he struggles and this does take 3 years to rebuild. People will get very impatient and the fact he is such a square peg will make things much harder for him.
The cultural issue I think he will have is moreso centered around his style of coaching. He's not personable and likeable. How many former players talk about how wonderful he was or how much he meant to them? At a place like LSU that thrives on passion and emotion that could be a problem. Notre Dame was a perfect fit for Kelly culturally as it is much more stodgy and elitist. I don't know that Kelly is going to relate well to poor black kids from Louisiana.
I guess we will find out.
Finally, a well thought out and sensible post. I do not necessarily agree with the elitist comment (you can be from a rich family of dickheads and not be a total dickhead yourself), but a lot of that is pretty accurate. I have no worries about his coaching ability, schemes, or no-bullshite approach, but I do agree that his inexperience in recruiting the deep south is a potential issue.
You are dead on about the reality of the SEC. Win and none of it matters.
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Posted on 1/13/22 at 10:35 am to Basura Blanco
Certainly you can grow up rich and connect with poor folks. Look at a guy like Trump who grew up with everything but he seems to connect better with blue collar folks than rich people (regardless of what you think about Trump).
I'm basing my assessments more on what I have read and seen from his prior stops and how his former players and coaches talk about him. He's very professional and treats people more like employees which is fine. That's just very different than the more emotional and family type approach LSU is better known for. If you listen when Saban or Miles or especially O was coach you could feel the personal passion for LSU and they expressed that feeling of family. I just don't ever see that from Kelly and if he tries to do it that could be worse because it would likely be insincere. Kelly needs to be himself and roll with it, the cringy stuff so far has been when he has tried to pretend to be a Southerner or like he understands the Bayou. People hate fake.
I'm basing my assessments more on what I have read and seen from his prior stops and how his former players and coaches talk about him. He's very professional and treats people more like employees which is fine. That's just very different than the more emotional and family type approach LSU is better known for. If you listen when Saban or Miles or especially O was coach you could feel the personal passion for LSU and they expressed that feeling of family. I just don't ever see that from Kelly and if he tries to do it that could be worse because it would likely be insincere. Kelly needs to be himself and roll with it, the cringy stuff so far has been when he has tried to pretend to be a Southerner or like he understands the Bayou. People hate fake.
This post was edited on 1/13/22 at 10:38 am
Posted on 1/13/22 at 10:37 am to aggressor
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If you listen when Saban or Miles or especially O was coach you could feel the personal passion for LSU and they expressed that feeling of family.
I’ll agree about Miles and O but that’s flat out absurd to say that about Saban.
He is straight machine and is all about business and doesn’t give a shite about the rest.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 10:39 am to aggressor
Social media and the fact that you can state your opinion anonymously has made you even more stupid. You write like you have an incredibly personal relationship with Kelly, Saban, Jimbo and Sumlin. Again, social media has made you stupid.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 10:58 am to dkreller
Ever listen to Saban? He is a hell of a salesman and knows how to pitch a program. His style is certainly different than O or Miles but he gets personally involved and comes across as very sincere.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:00 am to aggressor
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Ever listen to Saban?
Uh yeah he used to coach at LSU
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:01 am to aggressor
I think you make a valid point and I definitely see what you mean about Saban.
Haven't really followed Kelly's career enough to see how he's viewed by former players.
He certainly wasn't my pick but I don't hate the hire either. He may be the best person to get LSU back on track, long term speaking.
Haven't really followed Kelly's career enough to see how he's viewed by former players.
He certainly wasn't my pick but I don't hate the hire either. He may be the best person to get LSU back on track, long term speaking.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:02 am to SidewalkTiger
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I did expect more coaches to be retained
In all fairness, Frank Wilson left in part because of Orgeron. Wilson is sort of like a retention.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:03 am to TigerFlask
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Social media and the fact that you can state your opinion anonymously has made you even more stupid. You write like you have an incredibly personal relationship with Kelly, Saban, Jimbo and Sumlin. Again, social media has made you stupid.
Never said I knew any of these guys personally and wouldn't pretend to. I do listen to them though and there is a hell of a lot of information out there about them from people who DO know them personally. I could certainly be wrong as well.
That said is there a specific thing that I said you disagree with or are you saying that unless you have a long standing personal relationship with a coach you can't have an opinion as to their personality?
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:11 am to aggressor
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the cringy stuff so far has been when he has tried to pretend to be a Southerner or like he understands the Bayou. People hate fake.
Here’s the thing about all of that: no in Louisiana gave a damn about the accent thing
The only people who made a big deal out of that are out of state and were mostly the “intellectual elite” of the east coast and Midwest with couldn’t fathom that the Notre Dame coach would leave for dumb ole LSU
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:13 am to SidewalkTiger
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Raymond
Why ? He's one of the driving forces of what is wrong inside the football program. Look who's quitting first and the most often at LSU ... DBs.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:14 am to SaturdayNAthens
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Yankees always think they know better than us Southerners. Kelly is no different. He’s from Boston you know. LSU’s staff was created by a native of La so of course he was going to blow it up.
Yet, Brian Kelly hired a staff that has LA tied.
Why are you so bend over the fact that he's not from the south?
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:51 am to ipodking
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the cringy stuff so far has been when he has tried to pretend to be a Southerner or like he understands the Bayou. People hate fake.
Here’s the thing about all of that: no in Louisiana gave a damn about the accent thing
The only people who made a big deal out of that are out of state and were mostly the “intellectual elite” of the east coast and Midwest with couldn’t fathom that the Notre Dame coach would leave for dumb ole LSU
I don't think the accent was a big deal at all just cringy. As I said the most important thing by far is if he wins everything else fades away. My greater point though is acting fake more than the accent. He should just be himself and not try to cater and be something he isn't. He's a hell of a coach with a lot of accomplishments and he has a system. He needs to just roll with that.
The main way I would see the fakeness coming up is in recruiting. When you are fighting guys like Saban and Kirby and Jimbo any little thing can make the difference for a top recruit. Usually it comes down to comfort level and gut feel and if a recruit or his family see you as fake that could cost him.
In the end though just win and no one cares about the rest.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:51 am to aggressor
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He can't relate well with most athletes outside of white kids from the private schools.
You are projecting your own racism on BK. I mean how many stereotypes are you going to use in one post? Why do you think the race of an athlete has anything to do with talking and treating a person with respect?
As I said y’all speak of things you do not understand.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:57 am to FreddieMac
While I think saying he can't relate is a bit much it is true that Kelly grew up and spent much of his life in primarily private schools that are mostly white kids. Probably not a lot of diversity in private Catholic schools in Mass in the '70s and '80s that was the world he grew up in.
I don't think it is racist to say someone from that background has trouble relating to someone from a completely different background.
I don't think it is racist to say someone from that background has trouble relating to someone from a completely different background.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:11 pm to aggressor
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Kelly is not even in the same zip code as Saban
I wouldnt' say that yet. Kelly hasn't had the amount of LA talent at his fingertips like he now does. I'd say in about 3-4 years one will be able to make an educated decision in that regard.
One could argue that the reason Saban IS so successful is because of that LA talent. I have said this for a long time, go and look at all of the Bama teams since Saban got there and subtract the LA talent and you will see what I am talking about.
Coach Kelly doing well is a double-edged sword for Bama. It keeps LA talent off their roster and adds them to LSU's.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 2:37 pm to ipodking
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Here’s the thing about all of that: no in Louisiana gave a damn about the accent thing
The only people who made a big deal out of that are out of state and were mostly the “intellectual elite” of the east coast and Midwest with couldn’t fathom that the Notre Dame coach would leave for dumb ole LSU
Many of them routinely pronounce our city as "Ba-TAWN rooz", which annoys me more than anything Kelly has said.
GEAUX TIGERS!
Posted on 1/13/22 at 2:42 pm to That LSU Guy
He couldnt win at notre dame skooter.....you think LSU is better ?
Posted on 1/13/22 at 2:50 pm to Ghost of Barnwell
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He couldnt win at notre dame skooter.....you think LSU is better ?
Well yeah.
Do you think Ed Orgeron could've been the winningest Notre Dame coach ever?
Hell no, yet he won a championship because LSU is an elite program.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 4:30 pm to SaturdayNAthens
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No. I’m just saying that a man like Kelly knows nothing about the South and our people. I’m sorry but I’ll be surprised if he lasts very long at LSU.
He will move on before he is shown the door. That was really cute when he faked that Southern accent. Nothing like a guy with a Boston accent insulting the entire South. His contempt will become even more obvious as time goes on
You know who else came from the midwest after having never been in the South?
Nick Saban
That worked out alright didn't it? Get out of here with that nonsense. You are a Georgia fan, stop acting like the have not Aggies.
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