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re: Bo Pelini's Nebraska defenses in the Big Ten & Youngstown defenses in the MVC
Posted on 1/27/20 at 9:48 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 1/27/20 at 9:48 pm to lsufball19
Love the Pelini hire.
Aggressive 4-3 is back at LSU!
Aggressive 4-3 is back at LSU!
Posted on 1/27/20 at 9:59 pm to SoloTiger
I agree. All of the former players love him and his scheme. Let the tards on here have their fun. We heard the same thing last year when we hired Joe Brady.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:09 pm to AHM21
Pete Golding or Bo Pelini? I’ll take Pelini every time!
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:35 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Lol dumbass Alabama redneck doesn’t know how to properly post a picture. Embarrassing
Posted on 1/28/20 at 12:16 am to SummerOfGeorge
The only thing I'd be concerned about there is the general trend for defenses to ramp up only to fall back pretty substantially in short order... Perhaps he's a strong starter and loses motivation, perhaps it's a "we have his tendencies" now... who knows? But if I'm O, that's certainly something I'm keeping an eye on.
I think he's a pretty good hire, all things being said, but 2M seems insane IMHO... but if they can afford it, it's really a non-factor other than it resets the expectation for all future incoming coordinators. Salary creep is real.
I think he's a pretty good hire, all things being said, but 2M seems insane IMHO... but if they can afford it, it's really a non-factor other than it resets the expectation for all future incoming coordinators. Salary creep is real.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:38 am to SummerOfGeorge
I don’t get the whole “different decade” argument. People forget that Bo coached against Urban Meyer (with Tebow) in the SEC as well as Lincoln Riley, Mike Leach, Tom Herman, etc. in the Big 12. It’s not like the guy has never seen a spread offense.
Looking at LSU’s defenses under Bo vs. under Aranda..
Year: national rank (SEC rank)
Sacks:
2005: 5 (2)
2006: 7 (1)
2007: 29 (2)
2016: 42 (4)
2017: 18 (3)
2018: 49 (7)
2019: 30 (2)
Yards per play:
2005: 4 (1)
2006: 2 (1)
2007: 5 (1)
2016: 14 (3)
2017: 33 (4)
2018: 21 (2)
2019: 28 (7)
Points per game:
PPG is an awful stat to compare defenses, with overtime games, special teams/turnover scoring, etc.. points per play would be better but I don’t know of a very good database that goes back to 2005..
2005: 3 (2) (3 periods of OT)
2006: 4 (1) (1 period of OT)
2007: 17 (2) (6 periods of OT)
2016: 5 (2)
2017: 14 (4)
2018: 26 (7) (7 periods of OT)
2019: 31 (8)
Opp. completion %:
2005: 3 (1)
2006: 1 (1)
2007: 2 (2)
2016: 17 (2)
2017: 18 (2)
2018: 3 (1)
2019: 2 (2)
Opp. passer rating:
2005: 5 (2)
2006: 3 (1)
2007: 3 (1)
2016: 17 (4)
2017: 9 (3)
2018: 9 (2)
2019: 10 (4)
TL;DR, when you look at national and conference rankings, Pelini’s defenses were nothing short of fantastic by pretty much all metrics. And stats like yards per play, opp. QBR, etc. tell a story that goes beyond the time of possession argument.
Looking at LSU’s defenses under Bo vs. under Aranda..
Year: national rank (SEC rank)
Sacks:
2005: 5 (2)
2006: 7 (1)
2007: 29 (2)
2016: 42 (4)
2017: 18 (3)
2018: 49 (7)
2019: 30 (2)
Yards per play:
2005: 4 (1)
2006: 2 (1)
2007: 5 (1)
2016: 14 (3)
2017: 33 (4)
2018: 21 (2)
2019: 28 (7)
Points per game:
PPG is an awful stat to compare defenses, with overtime games, special teams/turnover scoring, etc.. points per play would be better but I don’t know of a very good database that goes back to 2005..
2005: 3 (2) (3 periods of OT)
2006: 4 (1) (1 period of OT)
2007: 17 (2) (6 periods of OT)
2016: 5 (2)
2017: 14 (4)
2018: 26 (7) (7 periods of OT)
2019: 31 (8)
Opp. completion %:
2005: 3 (1)
2006: 1 (1)
2007: 2 (2)
2016: 17 (2)
2017: 18 (2)
2018: 3 (1)
2019: 2 (2)
Opp. passer rating:
2005: 5 (2)
2006: 3 (1)
2007: 3 (1)
2016: 17 (4)
2017: 9 (3)
2018: 9 (2)
2019: 10 (4)
TL;DR, when you look at national and conference rankings, Pelini’s defenses were nothing short of fantastic by pretty much all metrics. And stats like yards per play, opp. QBR, etc. tell a story that goes beyond the time of possession argument.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 9:52 am to lostinbr
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Lincoln Riley, Mike Leach, Tom Herman, etc. in the Big 12
Uh. Might want to check those dates chief. He coached at Nebraska for 3-4 years while they were Big XII then they changed conferences... With that said, the point still stands, but of those 3, only Mike Leach would have been coaching in Big 12 at that time (at least as head coach)?
Posted on 1/28/20 at 12:01 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Uh. Might want to check those dates chief. He coached at Nebraska for 3-4 years while they were Big XII then they changed conferences... With that said, the point still stands, but of those 3, only Mike Leach would have been coaching in Big 12 at that time (at least as head coach)?
I’m talking about before they were head coaches. Tom Herman was OC at Iowa State 2009-2011. Lincoln Riley was OC at Texas Tech in 2009. Although I’m not sure if he was the full year OC or just after Leach got canned.
Other offensive-minded guys that were in the Big 12 during Pelini’s Nebraska stint:
- Kevin Wilson (OU, HUNH)
- Mack Brown / Greg Davis (Texas, Colt McCoy team)
- Mike Gundy (OSU)
- Art Briles / Philip Montgomery (Baylor)
- Gary Pinkel (Mizzou)
My point was that it’s funny to hear “but the spread” from SEC folks when the guy coached in the Big 12 for 3 years and had good defenses at a bad program.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 12:19 pm to lostinbr
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My point was that it’s funny to hear “but the spread” from SEC folks when the guy coached in the Big 12 for 3 years and had good defenses at a bad program.
I mean I'm not going to label Nebraska a "bad program", especially when Pelini arrived.
Solich
2000 : 10-2
2001 : 11-2
2002 : 7-7
2003 : 9-3
Callahan
2004 : 5-6
2005 : 8-4
2006 : 9-5
2007 : 5-7
Pelini
2008 : 9-4
2009 : 10-4
2010 : 10-4
2011 : 9-4
2012 : 10-4
2013 : 9-4
2014 : 9-3
The 8 years before Pelini got there they went 64-35 (65%). That's an average 8-5 season, which is just slightly worse than what Pelini consistently put out. Now, since he left? Yes - bad program. Hiring Riley as his replacement was a disaster.
There is also some revisionist history on the talent level at Nebraska. They had the highest recruited talent in their division while in the BXII - without a real close 2nd.
Year - National Rank (B12 rank, B12N Rank)
2007 - #13 (#2, #1)
2008 - #21 (#5, #2)
2009 - #27 (#4, #1)
2010 - #24 (#5, #2)
They were competing against Kansas State, Kansas, Missouri, Colorado and Iowa State. The only other team in that division that recruited at a somewhat similar level as them was Missouri and Colorado here and there.
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 1/28/20 at 6:30 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I mean I'm not going to label Nebraska a "bad program", especially when Pelini arrived.
That’s fair, maybe I shouldn’t have called it a “bad program”. It all depends on the time frame you look at. Bo won 71% of his games there while his predecessor won 55%.
Regardless, I don’t think his win % as a head coach matters in the context of a discussion about his defensive coaching ability. My larger point was that I’ve seen a lot of LSU fans on Tiger Rant (maybe some people around the SECr as well) saying “but it’s a different era now!” As if he’s never coached, with success, against up-tempo/spread offenses before.
Maybe some of the RPO concepts are newer developments. But there seems to be a perception that, since LSU and Alabama just started spreading things out, it must be “new”.. it’s not.
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