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re: Bo Pelini's Nebraska defenses in the Big Ten & Youngstown defenses in the MVC

Posted on 1/27/20 at 9:48 pm to
Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 1/27/20 at 9:48 pm to
Love the Pelini hire.

Aggressive 4-3 is back at LSU!
Posted by GeauxLSU4
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2012
10540 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 9:59 pm to
I agree. All of the former players love him and his scheme. Let the tards on here have their fun. We heard the same thing last year when we hired Joe Brady.
Posted by Big Bang Rookie
Louisiana
Member since May 2017
769 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:09 pm to
Pete Golding or Bo Pelini? I’ll take Pelini every time!
Posted by LSUgrad08112
Member since May 2016
2925 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:35 pm to
Lol dumbass Alabama redneck doesn’t know how to properly post a picture. Embarrassing
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/28/20 at 12:16 am to
The only thing I'd be concerned about there is the general trend for defenses to ramp up only to fall back pretty substantially in short order... Perhaps he's a strong starter and loses motivation, perhaps it's a "we have his tendencies" now... who knows? But if I'm O, that's certainly something I'm keeping an eye on.

I think he's a pretty good hire, all things being said, but 2M seems insane IMHO... but if they can afford it, it's really a non-factor other than it resets the expectation for all future incoming coordinators. Salary creep is real.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:38 am to
I don’t get the whole “different decade” argument. People forget that Bo coached against Urban Meyer (with Tebow) in the SEC as well as Lincoln Riley, Mike Leach, Tom Herman, etc. in the Big 12. It’s not like the guy has never seen a spread offense.


Looking at LSU’s defenses under Bo vs. under Aranda..

Year: national rank (SEC rank)

Sacks:
2005: 5 (2)
2006: 7 (1)
2007: 29 (2)

2016: 42 (4)
2017: 18 (3)
2018: 49 (7)
2019: 30 (2)

Yards per play:
2005: 4 (1)
2006: 2 (1)
2007: 5 (1)

2016: 14 (3)
2017: 33 (4)
2018: 21 (2)
2019: 28 (7)

Points per game:
PPG is an awful stat to compare defenses, with overtime games, special teams/turnover scoring, etc.. points per play would be better but I don’t know of a very good database that goes back to 2005..
2005: 3 (2) (3 periods of OT)
2006: 4 (1) (1 period of OT)
2007: 17 (2) (6 periods of OT)

2016: 5 (2)
2017: 14 (4)
2018: 26 (7) (7 periods of OT)
2019: 31 (8)

Opp. completion %:
2005: 3 (1)
2006: 1 (1)
2007: 2 (2)

2016: 17 (2)
2017: 18 (2)
2018: 3 (1)
2019: 2 (2)

Opp. passer rating:
2005: 5 (2)
2006: 3 (1)
2007: 3 (1)

2016: 17 (4)
2017: 9 (3)
2018: 9 (2)
2019: 10 (4)

TL;DR, when you look at national and conference rankings, Pelini’s defenses were nothing short of fantastic by pretty much all metrics. And stats like yards per play, opp. QBR, etc. tell a story that goes beyond the time of possession argument.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/28/20 at 9:52 am to
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Lincoln Riley, Mike Leach, Tom Herman, etc. in the Big 12

Uh. Might want to check those dates chief. He coached at Nebraska for 3-4 years while they were Big XII then they changed conferences... With that said, the point still stands, but of those 3, only Mike Leach would have been coaching in Big 12 at that time (at least as head coach)?
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9341 posts
Posted on 1/28/20 at 12:01 pm to
quote:

Uh. Might want to check those dates chief. He coached at Nebraska for 3-4 years while they were Big XII then they changed conferences... With that said, the point still stands, but of those 3, only Mike Leach would have been coaching in Big 12 at that time (at least as head coach)?

I’m talking about before they were head coaches. Tom Herman was OC at Iowa State 2009-2011. Lincoln Riley was OC at Texas Tech in 2009. Although I’m not sure if he was the full year OC or just after Leach got canned.

Other offensive-minded guys that were in the Big 12 during Pelini’s Nebraska stint:
- Kevin Wilson (OU, HUNH)
- Mack Brown / Greg Davis (Texas, Colt McCoy team)
- Mike Gundy (OSU)
- Art Briles / Philip Montgomery (Baylor)
- Gary Pinkel (Mizzou)

My point was that it’s funny to hear “but the spread” from SEC folks when the guy coached in the Big 12 for 3 years and had good defenses at a bad program.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 1/28/20 at 12:19 pm to
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My point was that it’s funny to hear “but the spread” from SEC folks when the guy coached in the Big 12 for 3 years and had good defenses at a bad program.



I mean I'm not going to label Nebraska a "bad program", especially when Pelini arrived.

Solich
2000 : 10-2
2001 : 11-2
2002 : 7-7
2003 : 9-3

Callahan
2004 : 5-6
2005 : 8-4
2006 : 9-5
2007 : 5-7

Pelini
2008 : 9-4
2009 : 10-4
2010 : 10-4
2011 : 9-4
2012 : 10-4
2013 : 9-4
2014 : 9-3

The 8 years before Pelini got there they went 64-35 (65%). That's an average 8-5 season, which is just slightly worse than what Pelini consistently put out. Now, since he left? Yes - bad program. Hiring Riley as his replacement was a disaster.

There is also some revisionist history on the talent level at Nebraska. They had the highest recruited talent in their division while in the BXII - without a real close 2nd.

Year - National Rank (B12 rank, B12N Rank)
2007 - #13 (#2, #1)
2008 - #21 (#5, #2)
2009 - #27 (#4, #1)
2010 - #24 (#5, #2)

They were competing against Kansas State, Kansas, Missouri, Colorado and Iowa State. The only other team in that division that recruited at a somewhat similar level as them was Missouri and Colorado here and there.
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 12:27 pm
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9341 posts
Posted on 1/28/20 at 6:30 pm to
quote:

I mean I'm not going to label Nebraska a "bad program", especially when Pelini arrived.

That’s fair, maybe I shouldn’t have called it a “bad program”. It all depends on the time frame you look at. Bo won 71% of his games there while his predecessor won 55%.

Regardless, I don’t think his win % as a head coach matters in the context of a discussion about his defensive coaching ability. My larger point was that I’ve seen a lot of LSU fans on Tiger Rant (maybe some people around the SECr as well) saying “but it’s a different era now!” As if he’s never coached, with success, against up-tempo/spread offenses before.

Maybe some of the RPO concepts are newer developments. But there seems to be a perception that, since LSU and Alabama just started spreading things out, it must be “new”.. it’s not.
Posted by Gary Busey
Member since Dec 2014
33277 posts
Posted on 9/27/20 at 12:36 pm to
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